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jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 17:14:29

really going to move in his mistress into number 10?

suziewoozie Fri 26-Jul-19 15:31:09

And this from the same court case

“n a ruling that could redraw the privacy rights of public figures in England and Wales, the court of appeal said: "It is not in dispute that the legitimate public interest in the father's character is an important factor to be weighed in the balance against the claimant's expectation of privacy.

"The core information in this story, namely that the father had an adulterous affair with the mother, deceiving both his wife and the mother's partner and that the claimant, born about nine months later, was likely to be the father's child, was a public interest matter which the electorate was entitled to know when considering his fitness for high public office."

Callistemon Fri 26-Jul-19 15:32:06

I have been told that the only people who like Boris Johnson are people who don't know him
Was that by someone who knows him or doesn't know him varian

Day6 Fri 26-Jul-19 15:32:08

The Boris haters want yet more mud to sling at him hmm

His personal life is his own concern.

All I have heard from him (as a new PM) so far ticks lots of boxes.

suziewoozie Fri 26-Jul-19 15:35:27

Well the courts disagree with you Day. And so of course do I ( not that that matters of course).

varian Fri 26-Jul-19 15:36:17

"Many who have had to work closely with Johnson emerge from the experience disenchanted and at worst horrified by what they observed. As one former colleague puts it, “the closer you get to Johnson the less you like him”.

members.tortoisemedia.com/2019/06/29/borishaters/content.html

varian Fri 26-Jul-19 15:41:30

Sonia Pernell, Boris Johnson’s colleague at The Daily Telegraph, writing in the Times:

“Boris Johnson can change from bonhomie to a dark fury in seconds… [he[ has the fiercest and most uncontrollable anger I have seen… It was the sight of Boris Johnson in full flow that convinced me all those years ago in the 1990s, when I worked alongside him in Brussels reporting on the EU for The Daily Telegraph, that he was temperamentally unsuitable to be entrusted with any position of power, let alone the highest office of all, in charge of the United Kingdom and its nuclear codes.”

Callistemon Fri 26-Jul-19 15:41:57

I have been told that the only people who like Boris Johnson are people who don't know him
Can you tell us who told you varian? Or would that be breaking a confidence?

Or was it just gleaned from online from the opinion of someone who does dislike him?

It's quite a strong statement to make.

trisher Fri 26-Jul-19 15:45:06

Actually Day6 I think you will find many clues in his private life about how he behaves in his public life. Makes promises but doesn't keep them. Promises much but delivers little (As I'm sure his wives would confirm). Has secrets and tells lies. You may be impressed with what he says just don't be surprised when he doesn't act as he says he will.

Day6 Fri 26-Jul-19 15:47:35

Well the courts disagree with you

In terms of his personal life?

Yes, his divorce will be messy, I feel sorry for his wife and children, (been in their position, unfortunately) but still, it is HIS personal life.

"Let he who is without sin......" etc. hmm

varian Fri 26-Jul-19 15:48:34

Max Hastings, Boris Johnson’s former boss at the Telegraph, writing in the Guardian:

“I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent… There is room for debate about whether he is a scoundrel or mere rogue, but not much about his moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth.”

suziewoozie Fri 26-Jul-19 15:49:55

This from Max Hastings article

Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade. In a commonplace book the other day, I came across an observation made in 1750 by a contemporary savant, Bishop Berkeley: “It is impossible that a man who is false to his friends and neighbours should be true to the public.” Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him.

Day6 Fri 26-Jul-19 15:50:18

Well trisher, let's see if he delivers the promises he has made so far concerning the betterment of the UK.

He has started well. He may fail as others before him have, in terms of being able to deliver, but he does need slightly more than 48 hrs to prove his worth grin

suziewoozie Fri 26-Jul-19 15:51:26

Yes Day6 I think it’s clear in the quotes I posted that the courts think a politicians personal life is relevant

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-19 15:51:38

His personal life mirrors his chaotic approach to his professional life - lies, duplicity, lack of regard for others, etc.

POGS Fri 26-Jul-19 15:58:26

Just think of the guest list as well. Former wives? Children? Mistresses? Not to mention politicians who have stabbed him in the back.

Hmmm. Irony.

trisher Fri 26-Jul-19 16:01:28

Oh come on Day6 how come we can suddenly afford all those things he has promised? I can't believe that those who rejected Labour's manifesto on the grounds it was not costed are now praising Boris's promises which let's face it haven't even been vaguely estimated. It's pie in the sky. The wonder is that anyone with brains can take the man seriously.

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-19 16:06:18

Oh trisher - of course we can afford these things! You're just not be optimistic enough hmm

trisher Fri 26-Jul-19 16:12:07

He's been at the magic money tree hasn't he?

lemongrove Fri 26-Jul-19 16:49:59

We are all entitled to our own opinion on whether his past personal life ( messy) is important on doing a good ( or even reasonable job) of being PM.
Theresa May has an impeccable private life, but hasn’t managed to be a good PM, ditto Cameron.
Boris Johnson’s time in office as PM may be a total car crash, but he could surprise us, he’s only 48 hours into the job.

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-19 17:06:06

It's not just his messy past and current personal life though - it's whether someone with his dubious morals and business dealings, respect for the law of the land, temperament, divisive policies, use of inflammatory language and inability to tell the truth (to list just a few of his failings) is really the best person to take the UK forward.

If by 'good' you mean extremely right wing then yes, he's all that.

lemongrove Fri 26-Jul-19 17:16:12

No, I mean good, as in taking us out of the EU as Parliament promised us it would do, and making some much needed
Policies on all sorts of things, increasing police numbers and tackling knife crime by taking a tough stance on knife carrying ( stop and search) and getting to grips with care for the elderly, which has been ignored for a very long time.
Increased house building ( which is already under way) including social housing, and extra funding for the NHS.
That kind of good.?

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-19 17:23:25

Where are these policies? He's only been in power for 48 hours as someone has already said - he may have made promises, but he's very good at doing that. These aren't policies.

Taking us out of the EU - again, what are his policies? What does that deal mean for you and for me - for our pensions, for access to goods, for our ability to access health care if we take ill in other european countries, for our children to access education and jobs in other countries, for movement and retention of staff to key areas.....because simply saying 'taking us out of the EU' when you've absolutely no idea what you've actually just voted for and trusting a bunch of very rich people with financial assets that will be protected no matter what to navigate the UK through this (and keep us together) is breathtaking in its foolhardiness.

lemongrove Fri 26-Jul-19 17:32:34

Calm down Sir !
I answered your question as to what I thought would be classed as ‘good’.
I didn’t say he had made these policies ( and it was me amongst others who said he had only been in the job for 48hours.)
I do know what I voted for ....leaving the EU.Leaving the single market and the customs union.
I don’t know if Johnson will be any good, crystal balls are futile, we shall have to see.

SirChenjin Fri 26-Jul-19 17:41:28

You've already said you've voted for leaving the EU - but you haven't been able to set out what that deal with look like, or what will happen once we leave, or articulate what that means for trade, health, legislative process, movement of people and so on and on and on. It's just a vague 'I want to leave' statement.

Would you make any other major decision in your life that would affect you children, your grandchildren and generations beyond that without reading the small print first?

Jane10 Fri 26-Jul-19 17:45:08

I can't get over the term 'mistress' being seriously used. It's 2019 everyone!