No Deal Brexit Leaflet...

I think that everyone who has been paying attention to our politics in the last three years must recognise that the whole question of the UK's membership of the EU is far from simple.

How many voters understand all the details of international trade and tarrifs, the effect on our economy, the importance of European co-operation in everything from science to security, let alone the question of the Irish border?

I very much doubt whether there is one British voter, even trade experts, who understood all the implications of brexit, yet many poorly informed people like to claim they knew exactly what they voted for. They didn't, Nobody did.

It was absurdly irresponsible to ask people for a simple yes/ no answer to such a complicated question.

Nanniejc1 - what did you vote for when you voted to leave?

Just reading stuff.

I assume that the leavers on here who are so keen on national sovereignty etc, appreciate that the membership of the WTO and the most favoured nation rule, puts a restriction on our national sovereignty? It puts the same set of tariffs for every country in the world. We will have no choice in the matter.

I suppose we could give up our membership in order to ensure our national sovereignty.

Nanniejc1 I'm with you on that.

QUOTES FROM SIR JOHN TIMPSON back in May 2016:
Give me a chance to have a go, free me of some of the red tape’. “I’m more a character who’s likely to want to be out than in but it wouldn’t make much difference to our business either way because a lot of the stuff that comes down from the EU – if I don’t agree with it then we do it our way."

“I also wonder, if we did come out: have we got the talent in the UK to really take advantage of it? We probably have. It is a risk but on balance I think it’s a risk worth taking.”

He's not pessimistic. Admire that man.

I really can't understand some of the comments on these posts. Someone writes of being fed up with the open door policy because "foreigns are not being checked to see if they are terrorists or bank robbers". . Security Clearance/Vetting has to be sort for those who want to work in UK.

We have frictionless trade with our 27 EU partner countries. If we were to leave we would become a "third country" and there would be a colossal increase in form-filling and red tape

I am sorry, but this is fact. Most Leavers have not got a clue what WTO means.

It took a while for Dominic Raab to realise the UK is an Island + a bit...

we go for WTO, and do not pay our agreed debts- and we will be marooned - like a siege. We can make all the preparations on our side (and NO, we are not ready- ask any transportation expert)- but if the French and others across the water won't let us through- there nought we can do. Same with air control to a large extent, I believe.

I will simply send my leaflet to number 10 as I am not interested in anything thy have to say. I am a retainer and will always be one.

The EU will have no choice but to charge tariffs, some extremely large. Price rises are inevitable.

Reading today about the level of extreme poverty in the U.K.

Do leavers actually care?

We can make our country great again,we just need to all pull together .....

I keep on asking how we are meant to do this, but never get a response.

Is it like reviving Tinkerbell in the Peter Pan Panotmime. If we all say we believe in Brexit will it all suddenly be wonderful?

it said nothing on our referendum slip about any deals

Perhaps because even the idiot Cameron couldn't believe that people would vote Leave without having the slightest idea what it involved. People who did know did try to warn us, but who needs experts...

Tariffs work two ways, the EU countries won’t want to pay them either.
A good reason for the EU to give us a better deal, and (of course!) they want our pay off.
No deal should never have been taken off the table, in fact am not sure it was ever on the table three years ago.

I'm with you Craftycat

lemon sigh

The deal has nothing to do with trading agreements or tariffs!!

It’s about the divorce arrangements. Once that is agreed
then we go on to a trading deal. But if we crash out then we go straight into WTO terms.

Do buck up.

I think buck up may be your favourite saying WWM2
( kind of old fashioned, but sweet.)
If we can do a better withdrawal deal with the EU then obviously we pay the divorce bill, then go on to arrange future trade deals.
If we leave at the end of October then we go onto WTO
Terms and will still want to arrange a trade deal with them,
but the divorce bill will only be paid by us if they agree a good trade deal with us.
Not only should no deal have always been on the table, but the money discussion should have been too, and not considered by us until we had left the EU.

^ in fact am not sure it was ever on the table three years ago.^

No, it most definitely wasn't. Everyone was being assured that we would have a wonderful deal with the EU; in fact nothing would change, except for the better. 'No deal' deal was never mentioned until May made her speech with the stupid 'No deal is better than a bad deal' soundbite in it.

In real life (as opposed to the fevered imaginations of Leavers) if you don't achieve a 'deal' everything reverts to the status quo. If you can't do a 'deal' around the house you want to buy you stick with the house you've got until you can find the deal you're after. You don't leave yourself with nowhere to live.

Using a ‘house’ analogy doesn’t work for this scenario.

but the divorce bill will only be paid by us if they agree a good trade deal with us.

Oh you sweet innocent, lemon. The EU have said very clearly 'No money,(or the rest of the WA) no trade deal'.

Why doesn't it work, lemon?

Tell me when you would ever walk away from a deal and leave yourself worse off.

The only person in this country that understands Brexit is Laura Kuenssberg.

Oh the EU say lots of things dear sweet MaizieD ?

Jzpap

lemongrove ‘Any shortage of supplies is not connected to Brexit, we are still in the EU ( in case somebody hadn’t noticed)’

Actually not true. The pound has been falling miserably since Mrs Mays deal failed and Boris appeared threatening no deal. Every time Boris mentions no deal the pound sinks. That makes everything we buy more expensive. Some suppliers have shifted their sales away from UK in view of Brexit ! So it’s not there for us to buy. This is the tip of the iceberg. But don’t worry soon American foods will be flooding in ! Lots of corn syrup, chlorinated chicken and gmo to eat! Our food standards are being quietly dropped. Boris is the only one to win in this situation, he’ll come out of this a billionaire having opened the door to Trump.

So remind us - what are the Tories telling us will happen after Brexit?

What can you not buy FC at the moment?
Supermarkets often have shortages of certain items due to all sorts of reasons, this has often been the case.
Tesco and Sainsbury are bursting at the seams with food items ( and all other items!)
All this chlorinated chicken and corn syrup talk is nonsense.

You keep telling us what’s ‘rubbish’ about our various predictions - can you tell us what will happen after Brexit? Particularly the no deal version we’re heading for - and not ‘the sky won’t fall down’ type things, but actual real details.