If we leave without a deal what will happen to the supply of food in the UK

Bloody hell, there are none so blind as those who will not see. I don't know where to start, or whether to even bother to be honest. The Lancet is an esteemed medical journal, not a tabloid ( most of which are pro-Brexit anyway), I assume you Ellenvannin and Opel have a GP? Do you follow their guidance based on the research and training they have done? Maybe even some of it based on learned papers published in the Lancet? Or maybe you just dismiss your GP's opinion and tell him/her you can manage fine thanks, their opinion is just scare mongering? Thought not, now you know how silly your posts are. Nobody knows what will happen if we crash out, but many people, based on their years of research and experience are having a very good guess and I believe their forecasts more than those of people who keep on harping on about rationing as if it was a wonderful idea. Get a grip folks.

If that was aimed at me then it is rude and cheeky, how do you know I do not know exactly what I am talking about. Did you read the post properly or just want to abuse someone who live in an other EU country'.
I had stopped posting on here as was tired of being abused and reporting people.
There are other ports than Dover, few ferries from here go there, check your facts before you open your mouth.

Felice who are you aiming your defensive tirade at?

I don't need to get a grip, on the contrary it's yourself who's het-up.
I've already proved that I'm not bothered, it's you who needs to calm down.

I'm sitting back thinking of all the airheads who voted to leave and whether they're the ones doing the most grousing, but they wouldn't admit it of course.

Growstuff. Anywat who knows, Tuvalu may do better than the UK, the ambassador and his wife would like that, will I give them your best wishes Growstuff.

I have just read an article in the medical journal saying how doctors are extremely worried because radioisotopes used in radiotherapy are in the main produced in Europe. They are imported every day and have a short shelf life. Without them many people's therapy will be postponed or cancelled.

Who said we should just try and stay healthy. I have a very healthy life style but still contracted cancer and will need radiotherapy in November.

And no this is not scare mongering. The doctors do not have an axe to grind.

I am sure it will all get sorted within the next 50 years but I cannot wait that long.

felice why do you call analysis such as this "scaremongering". This people would never work again if they were producing untrue reports just to frightened us. If you could produce equally reputable people saying the opposite I could understand it. But the aren't! You are saying it and people like you are saying it but I have not seen a single worthwhile source that says the opposite to these findings.

Don't you think it would be all over the newspapers if some trustworthy research somewhere had shown everything would stay just the same? What should we call a view that is just yours and a few very untrustworthy politicians personal opinion? Pie in the sky or just plain ignorance?

Oh no Ellenvannin I do not plan on calming down. So, do you question your GP? Or do you believe him/her? Do you believe Climate change experts or do you dismiss them as Project Fear? Or do you know that answering the questions truthfully will make you look just a little bit silly?

I wouldn't think that there is anyone under 90 who remembers food rationing with any clarity. I can remember (just) sweets being on ration, nothing else, and I'm 76!
I can't help but wonder what will happen to all the fruit and veg that will be ruined as it's not just us who would be affected! Will farmers on the continent find alternative outlet? or will they just sit back and watch their businesses fail without a murmur? My experience of french farmers in full flow the answer would seem to be not!! I would guess that after a short period of ruined exports a deal would be very quickly arrived at if riots on the streets of Europe are to be avoided! Same with the lamb! How are the butchers, wholesalers and consumers in Europe going to deal with the shortfall? Just curious? Can they plug the shortfall, where from? Again I would suggest that rumblings from the public, not the idiotic intransigent politicians, will soon HAVE to resolve matters!

GracesGranMK3 it's worse than plain ignorance, it's wilful ignorance that refuses to accept research from any source, no matter how informed that source is.

As for the bit in the Lancet re. atrial fibrillation, I beg to differ with what is said about the screening methods/detection as " limited because of cost and low yield ".

Not so. A trace can be carried out in a GP surgery and if found to be abnormal a letter of referral is sent to the cardiologist of your nearest hospital.
There are no limitations set for this type of screening. Medication such as anti-coagulants are a cheap and effective way of treating AF .

"And the scaremongering continues ………"

Doesn't it just Opal.

I need a shed load of drugs every day, I have family members who have conditions needing special treatment.

We have all been assured by our GPs that the NHS has supplies and will NOT run out of drugs or specialist medication. All - four GPs - knocked this pathetic Remainer scare-mongering on its head.

I am sorry to hear your diagnosis dragonflies. It must be very worrying.

No Brexiter would dare complain if they were in the same situation. Firstly the would not allow that the consultant knew more than them. Secondly, if they did not want to believe it to be true because it didn't suit them, they wouldn't. And thirdly, even if it had been wished upon them by the behaviour of others that would not be something to try and change, it would be the democratic right of those "others" to make life worse or even bring about the death of some so the could get their way however ignorant the chose to remain about it. And, of course, they would win brownie points for taking on the Blitz Spirit.

Jabberwok, exactly, the salad producers here and in the Netherlands rely on the UK market I do know that there are a lot of negotiations going on to protect the markets, and the UKs food supply. Going both ways I hope, as the Belgians in particular love UK beef, and lamb. I bought a tray of Welsh lamb chops this afternoon in my local supermarket.
I'm off now, pub quiz tonight in the Irish Pub across the road, need to revise.

growstuff I was quoting from NHS site. I did say lack of fresh food - I took to mean no fresh food The point I made as that cv disease can be as a result of that sort of diet.

It was the gov decision at the time WW2 to impose rationing incase we ran short of food. Fish and chips and beer weren't rationed.

GracesGranMK3 I can download the PDF but again it's time to read it. I'm interested but my outside work commitments demand my time at the moment. This is my afternoon tea break during a rain shower.

As a keen grower I've researched % of home grown produce.
First World War and Second World War, we produced only around 33% of our food. The recent high was 82% in the early 1980s. Currently it's 61%. Perhaps someone could post on here what they know about why it did drop to 61% and also why "someone" can't help that % increase.

I do not question my GP as I hardly visit the surgery.
If I have a problem I contact the hospital directly.
I don't believe in Climate change. Catastrophes are usually man-made.
Fortunately I'm not in the habit of making myself look silly.

Lastly---I never always believe what others say as I have a mind of my own and more than capable of working things out for myself.

Presumably you expect the hospital staff to know what they're talking about.

(Just deleted my comment because I really don't believe you're for real, EV.)

Actually, the country did run short of plenty of foods during WW2. Rationing wasn't just "in case".

I don't think chips and beer is a very healthy diet.

There are plenty of reasons why the UK imports food, the main one being that it's more efficient to grow some foods (especially fruit and veg) in warmer countries, such as Spain.

Secondly, the UK just doesn't have the land to produce food. We make more money out of building on our land and manufacturing stuff or providing financial services.

Thirdly, the UK is a relatively high-wage economy and we don't have people who are prepared to work in cabbage fields.

There are other reasons too.

Your GP is lying to you, Day6. Maybe he/she doesn't want to raise your blood pressure.

One of my best friends is a GP and they're are extremely worried about the supply of certain drugs. They can't stockpile themselves and the Clinical Commissioning Group won't allow them to oversubscribe to cover shortfalls.

There are already non-Brexit related supply problems and it's already a nightmare.

Good grief! Who'd have thought it? The Lancet knows nothing about heart disease. Why on earth do we waste so much money on medical training when somebody on Gransnet knows better, even though she hardly ever goes to a GP surgery and doesn't actually know what they do there.

Funny old world we live in!

From the NHS site

www.england.nhs.uk/eu-exit/medicines/medicines-faq/#q6

Will I still be able to get my prescription medicines and medical products?

"Yes. The Government is working closely with the NHS and suppliers to make sure medicines and medical products continue to be available in all scenarios. Occasionally, however, the NHS does experience temporary shortages of specific medicines. If this happens, you will be prescribed the best alternative to your usual medication as is normal. This will ensure that your treatment continues as normal.

And

What is being done to make sure medicines and medical products continue to be available?

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has been working closely with the NHS, pharmaceutical companies, suppliers of medical devices, and supply chains to make sure medicines and medical products continue to be available in the event of a no deal EU exit.

Since 2018, DHSC has been working with all pharmaceutical companies that supply prescription-only medicines and pharmacy medicines to the UK that come from, or through, the EU or European Economic Area (EEA). DHSC has been asking companies to ensure they have extra stocks available in the UK by 12 April 2019.

Where these medicines have a short shelf life, DHSC has asked companies to ensure that they can fly these medicines in from the EU in the event of no deal. The NHS Supply Chain organisation is holding extra stocks of medical products.

To ensure that there will be enough space available for extra stocks of medicines and medical products, the Government has secured extra warehouse space including refrigerated and controlled drug storage that companies can use to store products.

The Government has also put in place extra shipping for suppliers to use on a variety of routes to ease pressure on the short straits crossings to Dover and Folkestone. This includes capacity on ferries to Poole, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Immingham and Felixstowe. The Government has agreed that medicines and medical products will be prioritised on these alternative routes.

I was 6 when the war started and I remember listening to family discuss what was going to happen. We would be murdered in our beds, as there was no way Britain would stop an invasion. We would starve as we couldn't import fruit. The only bread would be black etc.etc. all supposition , none of this happened.
We can import food from America, Australia, New Zealand. Even better we can grow our own. Make Britain self sufficient and don't believe the doom mongers

I think I will cross bridges when I come to them rather than listen to pathetic scaremongering which frightens the vulnerable/gullible.

Remainers seem to delight in it.

I knew it. Climate change denial as well, that figures.

We would be murdered in our beds, as there was no way Britain would stop an invasion. We would starve as we couldn't import fruit. The only bread would be black etc.etc. all supposition , none of this happened.

Thank you evansgg

Let's face it, the Remainer Governor of the Bank of England depicted deep gloom and misery if we rejected the EU, even before the referendum result. He went on afterwards about economic disaster and got that wrong too!

The sore losers just have to keep on telling us how we are going to suffer for having the temerity to want to get out of the EU.

Stay off a thread for a while and watch them get hysterical together. It's interesting.

We are waiting for the prediction of a zombie apocalypse because we voted Leave. We haven't had that one yet, but it can't be far off.

I think most of us are of the 'wait and see' variety. We are preparing for a No Deal Brexit and that has to be good news.