If we leave without a deal what will happen to the supply of food in the UK

But, Firecracker Why the flaming hair-oil would the many sane, logical, quiet-spoken, and really nice people that among the population?

What advantage or satisfction would that give to me, a retired widowed lady of eighty who doesn't dabble in politics or go on demonstrations, who hates violence, manipulation and bullying of all sorts, including the underhand sort which goes with media exaggeration and foreign interference in elections and blackmailing of slightly kinky politicians? A member of Gransnet from its inception, who hasand successfully for eight years?

Do you imagine I have been recruited by some fifth column organisation bent on causing mayhem and destroying Western democracy? I assure you that I haven't!

Have a good look at some of our most power-hungry politicians if you want to pick out professional demagogues and stirrer-uppers of mass hysteria.

Not sure how you make " your own preparations" regarding prescription medicines but am sure some will be able to advise.

No, the guillible have their fingers in their ears.

The Remainers are telling the truth, not something the guillible are prepared to hear.

The fact is that every properly informed study in every area of our national life - from the economists, the trade experts, the haulage industry, the scientists, the doctors, the farming community, the supermarkets, the customs experts, the security experts, the defense experts, the exporters and importers and many more who actually know what they are talking about are all telling us that any kind of brexit will damage our country and a no-deal brexit will devastate it for generations to come.

Back to the OP, If we leave without a deal what will happen to the supply of food in the UK, as it's coming up to the Winter months, we'll all be sharing fabulous recipes for cabbage and sprouts, surely? Collards, they used to be called.

But Eazybee that is what the Remainers want to spread fear and panic amongst the gullible.

However who is to know either way & what will befall any of us in the future.

Absolutely, so why not make your own personal preparations and just wait and see, instead of attempting to spread alarm and despondency?

Minniemoo the word "likely" rather than "definitely' was used so as a lawyer I agree there is a distinction. However who is to know either way & what will befall any of us in the future.

If you enjoy cheap crap from China,then carry on Brexiting !
PS that includes food too !!

Did he/she really say that, goodbyetoallthat? They need reporting. That goes against everything the NHS has said to both staff and the public.

My 24 year daughter who suffers from epilepsy has been told by the consultant treating her that there is likely to be a problem supplying her medication after Brexit.
But that's okay isn't it as long as we can all sing Rule Britannia with gusto.

Lol no actually I thought perhaps some posters should calm down but it's a lost cause with Remainers.

Firecracker123 did you intend to show your ignorance by making such a condescending remark? If you did it worked.

Good grief calm down dear.

It is all a slow drip drip drip of propaganda, demonising the EU, then distrust of the Civil Service, what next, burning books? I await the cries of over exageration from the usual optimistists who believe everything will be fine, but take a steady step back and look at what has happened to this country in the past three years. There are people who are now, happily, talking about, if not recommending food shortages ( awfully good for sorting out the obesity crisis, dont'cha know), saying that if we just took better care of ourselves we wouldn't need all the medicines that may be in short supply, people snidely suggesting that those on here who live abroad are somehow just not as worthy as those who have'stuck it out here'. Historians will look at this period of self inflicted discord, disharmony, and sheer nastiness and wonder at just what madness overtook the country. And still, some of you think it will all be for the best. I should really give up arguing my point but I cannot as I am so, so angry that my family, friends and this country have been brought to this position AND FOR NO GOOD REASON

Didn't Farage turn one of his meetings into a mock-up air raid shelter (or something)? Or was that fake news?

That's what I meant when I wrote that the genius of Brexit has for very rich people to con so many others into accepting something which will make them and their country worse off.

And all the time growstuff, these disbelievers and dismissers of experts are doing the work for Dominic Cummings who must be sneering at grateful for those who swallow the Brexit wartime spirit nonsense. I note how Brexiteer's mood on here has gone from unicorns, rainbows, easy trade deals, to we will manage/we have done before/all you need is to grow sprouts in your window box......these muppets will have us singing Vera Lynn songs soon, you mark my words.

By the way, I agree with to an extent - all politicians are dismissed as shysters, all civil servants are time-serving muppets, everything is fake news (allegedly). People need to switch on their brains and delve a bit deeper.

Oh yes! I've read some of the Daily Mail health scare stories too. I would actually hope that my own education and experience would enable me to differentiate between the half-baked and the research with some validity. But - hey - what do I know? Try to tell people that there's a real risk of something happening or most evidence points in a certain direction and one is dismissed as only an "expert" trying to appear "superior".

Growstuff That has been happening more and more since the growing power of the internet.

Once upon a time, the general public didn't hear about tests and trials of new drugs, dietary theories and so on, until after they had been filtered through those who knew a lot about the subject and/or were actually going to use them. By then the more extreme had been proved or disproved by further studies and tests, and a more balanced view of them had emerged.

Graduation theses, written up by students on the results of the experiments they had been conducting during their underrgraduate or PhD years, were solely for the eyes of their professors, who gave them pass or fail marks as much on HOW they had gone about studying the subject as on how useful the result was, or even whether it stood up to further testing.

Now everyone puts a copy of everything on the net, at once, as soon as the last word is typed. We see these all the time on GN - someone comes across a degree thesis by someone on some obscure bit of science, and we all read it and get apoplectic at the nonsense it seems to be proposing.

Instead of finding out WHO wrote it and WHY, and WHAT knowledge and HOW MUCH experience do they have, some people react by saying "Yet another expert who is up their own exhaust pipe and talking rubbish! They are all paid to say what their employers want!"

It's been a psychological triumph to persuade people that "experts" don't know what they're talking about.

(elderly, but still relevant, I think)

A bit like some of us then Maizie

Can someone explain to me why we will have a shortage of fruit & veg

If this adds anything to Elegran's explanation, Pantglas I have found these two articles which go into a bit of detail:

www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/britain-faces-looming-brexit-gridlock-port-dover-n905296

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ports-customs-union-u-turn-rotterdam-eu-trade-single-market-theresa-may-david-davis-a8303436.html

(elderly, but still relevant, I think)

It seems to me that the more expertise some has, like Nobel prize winner Sir Paul Nurse, the more appalled they are at the prospect of brexit, and the more likely it is that their warnings will be completely dismissed by the leavers as scaremongering.

One thing worth bearing in mind too Pantglas, is that although we will no longer be part of making the rules, we will have to abide by those made in the EU when we want to export.

I have just heard Sir Paul Nurse, Director of the Crick Institute talking about how difficult it is becoming to recruit the best scientists because Brexit has meant that we are losing our status in the world (and leaving hasn't actually happened yet!).

He was asked about whether we could be confident that drug trials would not be disrupted, that people would not see those treatments disrupted for lack of supplies knowing that what the government has done about supplies of medicines and flying in radioisotopes needed for cancer treatment.

He replied that he did not have confidence in that. He added that we are facing an utterly chaotic situation, a failure of statecraft and political leadership, which has lead to this almost war-time footing which has simply been driven by an ideology that doesn't understand the modern world.

He added that we should just look at what we have to put in place to have to deal with the chaos that the failure of political leadership lead us to. He suggested the fact that the interviewer was asking questions like that just underwrites the extraordinary situation that we are in.