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Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Aug-19 07:45:55

The BBC is reporting about food suppliers plans post Brexit and their efforts to try to keep the food supply flowing.

It is clear that the biggest issue is going to be around fresh fruit and vegetables and the sufficient level to ensure that there is no shortage.

However, if, in the event of a shortage I think that the government should definitely introduce a form of rationing, in order that the wealthy, those living close to lots of stores etc should not be able to snap up this essential part of our diet at the expense of the poor and vulnerable.

varian Thu 15-Aug-19 10:25:29

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said there is "no chance" of a US-UK trade deal passing through Congress if Brexit puts the Good Friday agreement at risk.

The comments come after John Bolton, US national security adviser, said the UK would be "front of the queue" for new trade deals.

Ms Pelosi said: "The Good Friday Agreement serves as the bedrock of peace in Northern Ireland and as a beacon of hope for the entire world.

"After centuries of conflict and bloodshed, the world has witnessed a miracle of reconciliation and progress made possible because of this transformative accord.

Whatever form it takes, Brexit cannot be allowed to imperil the Good Friday Agreement, including the seamless border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland, especially now, as the first generation born into the hope of Good Friday 21 years ago comes into adulthood. We cannot go back.

If Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be no chance of a US-UK trade agreement passing the Congress. The peace of the Good Friday Agreement is treasured by the American people and will be fiercely defended on a bicameral and bipartisan basis in the United States Congress."

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nancy-pelosi-no-chance-of-postbrexit-trade-deal-if-ni-peace-at-risk-a4213431.html

POGS Thu 15-Aug-19 11:13:55

Varian

"Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be no chance of a US-UK trade agreement passing the Congress. The peace of the Good Friday Agreement is treasured by the American people and will be fiercely defended on a bicameral and bipartisan basis in the United States Congress."
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How do you think the USA refusing to do business with the UK will save the Good Friday Agreement?

I just see the US Congress threatening the UK.

RosieLeah Thu 15-Aug-19 11:35:50

Right now, we should be concerned about the effect of the weather on our food. All this rain is affecting the harvests. Last year, it was very dry, which caused a shortage of hay...which will have pushed up the cost of caring for animals. This year has been very wet in Britain but unseasonably hot in Europe. It's bound to have an effect on food production.

varian Thu 15-Aug-19 11:57:14

The Belfast Good Friday Agreement is an international treaty of which the UK is a signatory. It means there is no visible border on the island of Ireland. If the UK including NI was to leave the EU, and the single market and customs union, whilst the ROI was still in the EU, a border on the island of Ireland would be inevitable, unless there was a border in the Irish sea, separating NI from GB.

This is why the promises of the brexiters are undeliverable. Theresa May's ludicrous red lines promised we would leave the single market and customs union, whilst having no border on the island, and no border in the Irish Sea as NI is part of the UK and still have frictionless trade. These promises can never be kept as they are mutually exclusive - incompatable.

To the US Democrats and the large influential Irish lobby in the US, the Good Friday Agreement is sacrosanct and it is right that Nancy Pelosi should remind Boris Johnson of that. Breaking the GFA would have very serious consequences, the worst being a resumption of violence and NI leaving the UK, but it could also make future trade agreements with the US unachievable and we should take that warning seriously.

varian Sun 01-Sep-19 13:53:38

Pressed on whether there would be shortages of fresh food in a no-deal Brexit scenario, Mr Gove said: "Everyone will have the food they need."

He added: "No, there will be no shortages of fresh food."

When asked if food prices would increase, Mr Gove replied: "I think that there are a number of economic factors in play.

"Some prices may go up. Other prices will come down."

He said that freedom of movement will end "as we understand it", but added that the EU Settlement Scheme was "working well".

But trade association the BRC (British Retail Consortium) said Mr Gove's claims on potential fresh food shortages were "categorically untrue".

"The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border," a statement said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942

More than two million EU citizens living here have not received "settled status" so it is a lie to say the EU settlement scheme is "working well".

Just two of the many lies told by Gove on this morning's Andrew Marr show. These Leave Liars have become utterly shameless.

POGS Sun 01-Sep-19 16:15:02

Varian

Thank you for replying but I fail to see how the USA refusing to do business with the UK will save the Good Friday Agreement?

growstuff Sun 01-Sep-19 16:26:28

It depends how badly the UK wants a trade agreement with the US.

humptydumpty Sun 01-Sep-19 16:31:50

POGS surely the point of this is that the push for no deal is partly fuelled by the expectation that we'll have a trade deal with the US - but since that would mean no backstop, Nancy Pelosi is saying that no such trade deal would get through congress; is that not right?

Barmeyoldbat Sun 01-Sep-19 17:40:25

I just can't be bothered .

GagaJo Sun 01-Sep-19 19:42:24

A shop in Germany stripped the shelves of every non German product a couple of years ago. I'd like to see it done here so we can visualise what we're in for.

Opal Sun 01-Sep-19 20:09:25

So many remainers saying that if it all goes t*ts up, leavers can "own their own mess and get on with it". So I assume the opposite applies - i.e. when we are better off outside the EU, our economy is growing and the sky hasn't fallen down, then remainers can all p*ss off and will not share in the extra wealth and services that leaving will provide.

varian Sun 01-Sep-19 20:23:30

Did you just see that pig flying past?

lemongrove Sun 01-Sep-19 20:25:34

I expect we’ll all starve post Brexit.?

varian Sun 01-Sep-19 20:29:08

Let's just hope that there never is any post brexit.

Post brexit nonsense, when we all realise that we have fortunately emerged from a very bad dream, we will hopefully be grateful for what we have.

lemongrove Sun 01-Sep-19 20:31:38

Keep dreaming Varian?

varian Sun 01-Sep-19 20:36:27

Let's just see what happens this week.

lemongrove Sun 01-Sep-19 20:38:52

Or next week.

crystaltipps Mon 02-Sep-19 06:45:45

Its all going to be marvellous. There will be food and water. It won’t be the end of the world. Gloating is such a good look but doesn’t last.