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Outrage at Tory rhetoric

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Dinahmo Sun 11-Aug-19 09:33:54

Watching the news this morning I became increasingly outraged at the Tory rhetoric. The Tories reduced the police force by over 20,000 between March 2010 and March 2018 but BJ is going to find the money to recruit 20,000.

Pritti Patel is talking about increasing stop and search. I lived in Brixton during the riots in the 80's and the behaviour of arrogant young policemen and the practice of stop and search at that time was one of the causes.

I just don't understand why the public believe the Tories. We've had austerity for more than 10 years which led directly to much of the disaffection that we've been seeing. The current front bench have been around for some, if not all of that time so why didn't they speak out then?

BJ is talking about building more prisons, giving money to the NHS (already earmarked), more money for schools etc etc. the current front bench have been in parliament for some, if not all, of the Tory administration. Why have they done nothing to change Tory policies and why are they doing something now?

B~J is talking about giving money to companies that suffer after 1 November. They don't need to suffer - just cancel it.

Greta Thu 15-Aug-19 14:41:57

The chief inspector of prisons claims Colchester is "not at all punitive". He must have some idea what he is talking about but perhaps you also have insight knowledge of prisons.

I still believe prevention is better than cure.

Greta Thu 15-Aug-19 14:54:37

My mistake: "inside knowledge"

MaizieD Thu 15-Aug-19 16:32:26

Perhaps Pantglas could explain what is punitive about the regime at Colchester. I have found an HMIP report from 2014 but it doesn't detail the regime.

Though I think that, as growstuff and others have said, Colchester is very different from the normal run of prisons. I don't see how they can be compared.

growstuff Thu 15-Aug-19 16:33:29

Colchester "prison" is known as a "corrective training" centre, not as a prison.
Pantglas, I don't see that you've addressed my points at all.

MaizieD Thu 15-Aug-19 16:40:52

It is a prison, really, growstuff, it just has a different title. But, as you have rightly pointed out, the general run of its inmates and the reasons for their incarceration, is very different from an HMP.

growstuff Thu 15-Aug-19 17:03:26

Yes, I know, Maizie, but some of the inmates don't meet the threshold for actions which would be considered criminal in civilian law.

The emphasis is on correction rather than retribution.

The biggest difference, however, is that everybody has been in the forces. Whilst not everybody will be highly academic, there won't be many with the very poor literary skills of many in normal prisons and the forces weed out anybody with obvious mental health problems. The prison population has a high percentage of prisoners with very poor literary skills and mental health issues.

MaizieD Thu 15-Aug-19 17:26:48

Not disagreeing with you, growstuff.

There is absolutely no comparison between the military and the civilian establishments, apart from the fact that they deprive offenders of their liberty.

varian Sat 17-Aug-19 16:02:13

The language used by the self-proclaimed "war cabinet" led by prime minister Johnson is so hostile that it could be labelled 'propaganda used in the time of war". Without any regard for good relations and domestic peace, they lie, accuse and discriminate. A new low for freedom.

annodomini Sat 17-Aug-19 16:47:04

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the 'truth'. The latest lie now being repeated is that when people voted to leave, they chose to leave without a deal. They did no such thing, but this is being touted by such trustworthy individuals as Dominic Raab and several others in the so-called cabinet.

Greta Sat 17-Aug-19 17:34:58

I can't remember no-deal being discussed during the referendum or the Irish backstop for that matter. However, I do believe that there were leave-voters who were so ignorant (naive, if you want to be kind) that they did believe we could just 'leave' the EU; they way you leave a restaurant after a meal.

No, I don't believe all leave voters fall into that category. But the lack of understanding among some voters was extraordinary.

Grandad1943 Sat 17-Aug-19 17:50:41

Dominic Grieve has stated that he has received death threats as a direct result of Boris Johnson calling politicians who support Britain remaining in the European Union collaborators with the EU.

What Johnson stated had within it an echo of the rhetoric used towards those who engaged with and supported the German National Socialists during the second world war.

Johnson has refused to retract or apologise for what he has stated and therefore that means he does not realise the significance and dangers of what he has said. The forgoing must mean that Boris Johnson is an even larger Buffoon than already many credit him as, or he is promoting a deliberate policy to divide this nation even further than it is divided already.

How can any reasonable person who resides in Britain continue to support this man?