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Is the UK Union now at risk.

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MarthaBeck Sun 11-Aug-19 12:36:52

Gordon Brown writing in today’s states that growing nationalism is pulling the United Kingdom apart, driving it towards an unprecedented economic calamity and unleashing the most serious constitutional crisis since the 17th century.
he says unionism is “sleepwalking into oblivion”, fuelled by a “destructive, populist, nationalist ideology” deployed by Boris Johnson.
“If we are to understand why we are facing not only our most serious constitutional crisis since the 17th century but at the same time an unprecedented economic calamity precipitated by a no-deal exit from the European Union, we must recognise that nationalism is now driving British politics,” he writes.
“It follows that only thus - as an outward-looking, tolerant, fair-minded and pragmatic people - can Britain recover its cohesion and common purpose. These precious ideals could not survive the divisiveness and chaos of a no-deal Brexit. To prevent the rise and rise of dysfunctional nationalism the first step is to stop no-deal in its tracks.”

His comments come amid mounting fears that a no-deal Brexit would hasten the end of Scotland’s membership of the UK. Three-fifths of Scottish voters (60%) believe that support for Scottish independence would increase after a no-deal Brexit, according to new Focaldata polling for the anti-racist Hope Not Hate campaign. Most Tory supporters said they regarded the end of the union as a price worth paying to achieve Brexit. Some 57% of Conservative party supporters agreed with this view, in a separate UK-wide poll of 3,200 adults for Hope Not Hate.
I would be interested to hear other views, is Brexit worth putting the UK Union at risk, what benefits would we gain to make it worth while.?

Personally, I am utterly sick of this Brexit sickness, which is tearing our country and even families apart for sheer dogma.

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 21:30:55

POGS, It would be more integration because individual countries can't deal with tax-hopping giants on their own.

I don't know how much you know about Greeks and taxation, but it would be no bad thing if the Greek government got to grips with all the people who avoid paying tax. It was one of the conditions when the EU bailed them out for the umpteenth time.

MaizieD Mon 19-Aug-19 21:43:09

But the tax harmonisation proposals cover corporate taxation, not personal taxation. Greece has to solve its own problem of no-one (i.e its citizens) paying their taxes...

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 21:58:40

Snap, Maizie!

Davidhs Tue 20-Aug-19 07:34:18

The multinational giants need to have their wings clipped and France has levied 3% on sales there, more will follow, that will hit Ireland and Luxembourg in particular.
Not just tech companies, the likes of Starbucks and Amazon pay very little tax in many countries, including the U.K.

Southern European countries really do need to get their own houses in order, leaving the E.U. will make their economies much worse. They are understandably fed up with bearing the brunt of the migrant issue and are voting with their hearts for change - any change.

varian Fri 23-Aug-19 12:17:19

US Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer has sent a letter to U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warning that he will strongly oppose any U.S.-U.K. Trade deal that undermines the Good Friday Agreement.

In the letter, Leader Schumer also tells the Trump administration to stop over-promising an unconditional and unrealistic post-Brexit trade agreement with the United Kingdom.

Leader Schumer additionally makes clear in the letter that he will work with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and members on both sides of the aisle in both chambers of Congress to block any deal that threatens the Good Friday Agreement.

Leader Schumer’s letter comes in the wake of reports of a leaked top-secret British government document that warns of expected violence and protests if a no-deal Brexit leads to the creation of a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

www.bestforbritain.org/senate_democratic_leader_schumer_dismisses_chances_of_post-brexit_trade_deal_that_undermines_good_friday_agreement_gfa