Liberal Democrats

SNP MPs voted to prevent English shops opening at certain times when Scottish were allowed to open as they claimed that the Scottish shops could lose their English customers - silly and provocative.

There is no law to prevent MPs representing Scottish, Welsh of NI constituencies from becoming PM of the United Kingdom.

What a lot of character smearing goes on in inter-party politics. Is it to distract from a lack of positive policies?

good grief you must have really dug deep to find that ..was it pre war ?

20`16

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-to-oppose-
changes-to-sunday-trading-in-england-1-4053917

Some of us can still remember 2016 which was, at least in politics, a very bad year.

My source was the ‘NyeBevanNews’ Tuesday 8 October 2019 MaizieD
I tried to post a link.

Don't bother, Ug, I've already read it. It is, of course, perpetrating utter falsehoods, as I think varian has already shown.

As for petra's accusation. Still waiting for evidence..

Your link to the Scotsman article is broken, varian. It has to be copied & pasted to work.

The story is dated 2016, not exactly 'prewar', paddy, unless you count the last 3 years as Civil War in the UK...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35756258

This link might work - as you say Maizie 2016 is not pre-war. It is a year I well remember.

Sent

www.anothereurope.org/open-letter/swinson/

2010 - We can work with #Labour but Brown must go say #LibDems
2012 - We can work with Labour but Ed Balls must go say Lib Dems
2019 -We Can work with Labour but #Corbyn must go say Lib Dems
Are you seeing a pattern yet?
Memo to Yellow Tories: you don't get to choose our leaders

Instead of trying to woo Tory voters, Jo Swinson should be getting behind Corbyn

www.thecanary.co/opinion/2019/10/08/instead-of-trying-to-woo-tory-voters-jo-swinson-should-be-getting-behind-corbyn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Jo Swinson has merely pointed out that Corbyn will not get enough support from across the house. The numerous ex-Tory, ex_Labour, independents and even some current Labour MPs do not support him.

I know what she said. Not everyone agrees with her political points scoring.

And as you see the numbers are going up in open letter

More than 6 million people signed an open letter (ie petition to parliament) earlier this year, asking for Article 50 to be REVOKED.

You asked me for a link MaizieD and because it wouldn’t work, I kindly explained to you where I had read only four days go about EU millions going to the business or charity that Jo Swinson’s husband works for.

Then you tell me ‘not to bother Ug’ because it’s rubbish!

Honestly no wonder some of us give up even trying on here.

Why did you read it and then dismiss it please?

More than 6 million people signed an open letter (ie petition to parliament) earlier this year, asking for Article 50 to be REVOKED.

When your petitions reaches 17+ million varian it will mean something!

The reason we dismiss your scurrilous false allegations as fake news Ug is because they have come from a pro-brexit fake news propaganda website. Sadly there is far too much of that rubbish slushing around in the sewers of the web. Repeating this trash does not make it true.

I don’t suppose it makes it ‘untrue’ either varian

If it wasn’t true, the Swinson’s I’m sure have enough money to lawyer up and challenge these allegations.

Actually I don’t read these scurrilous anti-Brexit rags as you suppose. All I did was Google ‘Jo Swinson’s husband’ and loads of articles came up! I just picked one at random. If you don’t believe me you do it!

Then you tell me ‘not to bother Ug’ because it’s rubbish!

I thought you had something rather more authoritative, Ug and anyway, to save you the bother because I'd already read that one.

For your information, then.

Transparency International is an international organisation with 'chapters' in many countries. It is not Jo Swinson's husband's 'family firm' (as all the Brexiter articles claim; I found loads of them, all inaccurate). Duncan Hames is aa member of the Senior Management Team; Director of Policy. There is a CEO at a higher level.

TI is a registered charity. It was founded in 1993. Long before Hames joined the organisation.

If you care to read the accounts (link below) you will find that its donor list is extensive and comprises a number of trusts and organisations.

TI received nothing from the EU in 2018/19. No doubt you can search its other accounts going back 6 years (listed on their website: www.transparency.org.uk/who-we-are/governance/annual-reports-accounts/ ) and find some EU funding among all the rest of the funders.

www.transparency.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Transparency-International-UK-Trustees-Report-and-Financial-Statements-ye-31-March-2019.pdf

The assertions flying around are absolutely ridiculous. It's always good to check the truth of them before you repeat them.

TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL

One global movement sharing one vision: a world in which government, business, civil society and the daily lives of people are free of corruption.

In 1993, a few individuals decided to take a stance against corruption and created Transparency International. Now present in more than 100 countries, the movement works relentlessly to stir the world’s collective conscience and bring about change. Much remains to be done to stop corruption, but much has also been achieved, including:

the creation of international anti-corruption conventions
the prosecution of corrupt leaders and seizures of their illicitly gained riches

national elections won and lost on tackling corruption
companies held accountable for their behaviour both at home and abroad.

GLOBAL REACH, LOCAL KNOWLEDGE

With more than 100 national chapters worldwide and an international secretariat in Berlin, we work with partners in government, business and civil society to put effective measures in place to tackle corruption.

INDEPENDENT AND ACCOUNTABLE

We are politically non-partisan and place great importance on our independence. We alone determine our programmes and activities – no donor has any input into Transparency International’s policies. Our sources of funding are made transparent as is our spending.

www.transparency.org/whoweare/organisation

Transparency International UK is just one of more than 100 chapters of Transparency Internaional and is a registered charity . Transparency International is unpopular with those who have something to hide.

Grany Swinson would be mad to get behind Corbyn. Most of the LD target seats in the next election are Conservative/LD marginals. The LDs need to woo disaffected Tory voters, which they would find it very difficult to do, if people thought that a vote for the LDs would be a vote for Corbyn.

Ironically, the best chance Labour has of forming the next government is hoping that the LDs take as many seats as possible off the Conservatives, which just might mean that Labour has the most seats. Labour supporters who smear Swinson and the LDs are shooting themselves in the foot.

If Boris and Leo Varadkar have the basis of a deal, the Lib Dem’s are going to have to change their manifesto!

No apology for repeating a scurrilous and untrue story, Ug?

Urmstongran You must be aware that creating websites about current stories is exactly how propagandists work these days. They don't rely on printed media for disseminating stories. There are ways of ensuring that web pages come up first in Google searches, so that if somebody puts a topic such as "Swinson husband" into a search engine, people can control what appears. The nature of the internet means that some of those stories aren't true. That's how anybody with a "story" manages to get it into the mainstream. Always check the source and go back to original, reliable documentation if possible.

I believe that in Australia their Liberals are the equivalent to our Conservatives. Now that the Tories have become the Brexit Party I think our Liberals are taking much the same space here as they do there. I don't know why JS thinks she can throw her weight about in this way though. They need to run their own party not those where the leadership - whatever we think of it - is chosen by their own members.

What she's trying to do is win as many seats as possible. The LDs have done their homework and know that most of the seats they could potentially win are LD/Conservative marginals, especially those with a strong Remain vote.

The LDs were stung very badly by the coalition with the Conservatives and they're almost pathologically averse to committing to going into another coalition. Realistically, however, they're never going to be the largest party.

Swinson can't give any public support for Corbyn, if she wants to woo current Conservative voters. Not only that, but she knows that a number of the current Conservative rebels wouldn't support Corbyn as an interim leader either.

The LDs have been totally upfront about their attitude to Brexit. If Corbyn hadn't dithered so much, the LDs might not have seen such a surge in support, but I know for a fact that some of the new LD members are former Labour voters.

Swinson thinks "she can throw her weight around" because she's the leader of a party (also elected by its members), which has a good chance of holding the balance of power in a new government and wants to revoke Article 50. If people don't like that, they can vote for somebody else.

It could very well be LD votes which win Labour a GE. Swinson knows that, as do those opposing Labour, which is why she has no option but to deny in public that she supports Corbyn.

Not giving support is very different to trying to dictate the leadership of another party. If she doesn't want to work with the current Labour Party she should say so. I wonder if the opportunity is drifting away now anyway.