Liberal Democrats

janipat the result of the referendum has never been implemented at all, never mind 'fully implemented'.
I wish we weren't having a GE at all but Parliament was in deadlock. Ideally, we should have crashed out 6 months after the vote and by now (three years later) most of our problems would be sorted or on the way at least. As it is we are still in raging seas and no safe harbour yet in sight.

Chestnut at the last election we were aware it was for a fixed 5 year term before we had another GE. Presumably in the interests of democracy and honour, you would say the election now called for 12th December must be abandoned. After all we haven't fully implemented the last one have we? Or are there hopes that people gasp may have changed their minds about which person they want for their MP?

No GranE it was about Jo Swinson (me-me) in her delivery. That photo on the side of the bus compounded it.

Beth Rigby telling her what the polls were saying validated it.

Not anti-women at all.

You have to admit she was full of herself and it’s put voters off. She’s toned it down since.

Gosh, Urmstongran, your post of 12:02:25 makes it sound as though you have a problem with strong women, or women as leaders.

I don't believe that I have read one word from you about the massive, hubristic ego which Johnson totes everywhere he goes. On top of that, he has serious issues of integrity which make Jo Swinson's faults and inconsistencies pale into insignificance. This is not 'whataboutery', it is about apparent inconsistencies in your character assessments.

Elegran - leavers are not terrified of another vote. It's the principle. We had a vote, we were told it was a once in a lifetime vote and that the Government would honour the result. We voted.
What terrifies me about the thought of another vote is if we had the same result. Another three years of arguments and whingeing by remainers! I couldn't stand it. Another vote will not resolve the situation if it is close. This nightmare will just go on forever.

I sense the Graun going a little colder on La Swinson.

"The idea of Brexit as ‘taking back control’ is based on a misconception of global governance, and as a result, Brexit cannot provide its central promise – the UK’s increase in its own regulatory powers."

Brexit and misconceptions of governance The Uk in a changing Europe

Why are leavers so terrified by the thought of a confirmatory repeat vote, that they must be confidently predicting will reveal that the majority of the electorate still want to leave in spite of the revelations of massive misrepresentation and the documentation of years of media wind-ups (humorous or aimed to deceive?) and which would clarify the current will of the people?

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
tompride.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/see-20-years-of-fake-news-about-eu-by-uk-press-vote-for-your-favourite-here/

varian do you actually read other people's posts?
Because you just keep repeating the same old mantra ad nauseam.
How can you justify that remain leaflet that leave voters had to pay for?
That was misuse of taxpayers' money!
Not very honourable behaviour.

Poor Jo Swinson. Her big face on the side of the LD bus yet Beth Rigby deflated her (massive, hubristic ego) when she said ‘it seems that the public like you less the more they see of you’.

Ouch.

Here's an A to Z list of Brexit lies

www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies

There was just as much deceit on the remain side during the referendum. Remember Project Fear? There was immense pressure on voters to vote 'remain'. And yet despite all the terrifying propaganda being peddled they still voted to leave. I think that says it all.

So stop accusing the leave side of lying because the remain side were in my opinion much worse. Especially as taxpayers were forced to pay for remain propaganda in the form of that leaflet which came through our doors. Disgusting.

If it is really "the will of the people" to take an irrevocable step, it will STILL be the will of the people after they have found out the implications of following that path.

Democracy is also about truth and fairness. If a "democratic" decision is achieved by dishonesty and covert interference, it ceases to be democracy and becomes manipulation.

That's what democracy's about!
Just listen to yourself, saying democracy is about ignoring the result of the first referendum because I don't agree with it!

If we are a true democracy, we'd have another referendum to check what the majority of people want now more facts are known.

That's what democracy's about!

Those people who have died over the last three and a half years certainly don't count.

I'd be perfectly happy to accept the result of a new referendum of the people in the country NOW, especially as we all have a clearer idea of what Brexit actually means.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/self-employed-back-lib-dems-by-landslide-at-entrepreneurs-election-debate-h0xzwf2vm

Self-employed switch sides to back Lib Dems at small business election debate. Liberal Democrat Sir Ed Davey, the party’s deputy leader, was the big winner of a hustings held in the City, with 54 per cent of the audience of more than 100 small business owners, investors and freelancers backing him at the end of a Question Time-style debate with political rivals.

My husband lived and worked in the UK for 30 years and was in the same situation. We now live in Portugal. I cannot vote in general elections or referendums here. It’s the law throughout the EU. I can vote in UK general elections and Referendums for 15 years after leaving the country after that that’s it no representation anywhere unless I change nationality. I have friends who live in NZ who voted in the Referendum and will also vote in the GE.... because they can.

I don’t think many people realise that the fate of EU workers in the UK also applies to UK workers and any others nationality that’s on the Freedom of movement bandwagon!

That’s not peculiar to Uk varian- I know British people who have lived and worked in Spain since the mid seventies who can’t vote in their national elections either.

17.4 million isn't 'the will of the people' if 16.1 million voted to remain and 29 million didn't vote which is why I get so angry when I'm included in 'the will of the people.

That is one of the things that is a travesty of democracy. My German friend has lived and worked in this country for more than 25 years, she has paid taxes and taken a leading role as member of a British professional institute and gained recognition as a sportsperson, but like the other 3m EU citizens living here, she is not able to vote in general elections and could not take part in the fraudulent referendum.

Whatever happened to "No taxation without representation"?

Now Varian
If your German friend votes in a general election and does not hold a British passport then she is voting illegally. EU Nationals are only eligible to vote in local and EU elections NOT general elections or referendums. Please advise her of this.

There are several posters on here who would never accept a leave result no matter how many times it was voted for.
Now read Opal's last post again, which says it all really.
(now Varian will pop up saying it was a fraudulent referendum!)