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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 10:59:00

gilly you have accused an entire family of trying to ‘wriggle out ‘,

And again, who has defended the friendship?

jura2 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:00:37

today is the day British Democracy dies, and we are on the edge of a catastrophy and civil war - so I don't give a monkeys' about Andrew tbh.

suziewoozie Wed 28-Aug-19 11:16:54

Your posts try to act as a deflection annie because you think that’s it’s relevant whether his behaviour is criminal or not as far as many of us are concerned. It matters that he has behaved in a morally reprehensible way that brings shame on us and I’m afraid his mother has shown poor judgement too.

suziewoozie Wed 28-Aug-19 11:18:03

Some would say jura it’s all part of the same problem

Beckett Wed 28-Aug-19 11:25:48

As I have said before, he must have been aware of young girls coming and going (he was after all staying at the house), he knew Epstein was a convicted sex offender - even with his limited brain power alarm bells should have been ringing. He should have, at the very least, severed contact with Epstein. Personally I think he should have (a) confronted him and (b) contacted the police.

Whether he had sex with the young woman is now a question of his word against hers, but he still needs to answer questions about what he saw and why he continued the friendship

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 11:27:34

suzie. he hasn’t brought shame to me , I am not responsible for the morals of another. And no way will I criticise any mother for sitting in a car with a son .

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 11:30:19

My exact words were as follows Annie. no "accusations" as far as I can see.

Are the rf going to wiggle themselves out of this one? Probably

Lets not forget that these are the people we are supposed to look up to. the people that we as tax payers keep in the lap of luxury. The people that we give fancy meaningless titles to.

blondenana Wed 28-Aug-19 11:38:40

There is an old saying,"birds of a feather stick together"
Andrew knew all right i am sure,
He couldn't have been in a house with toose young girls and not known there was something dodgy going on, and now someone on "This morning" is saying the photo of Andrew and the girl is photoshopped,yeah right

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 11:43:33

gilly if you had a sibling of low morals you too should be judged the same ? This is what you are doing to an entire family, parents, siblings, nephews .

Lessismore Wed 28-Aug-19 11:53:24

The royals spent time with Saville didn't they? I suppose a lot of people were taken in by him. I genuinely couldn't abide him and found his TV programme to be very creepy.

regarding PA, he knew the guy was dodgy and yet continued to be friends with him.

suziewoozie Wed 28-Aug-19 11:58:52

On the way to church ?

blondenana Wed 28-Aug-19 12:02:15

Saville wasn't outed until after his death, Epstein was well known as a paedophile

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 12:11:35

Lessimore it was reported Saville spent time advising Diana, it was reported there was a connection with Charles through charity work. So two members of a large family.

I agree after Epstein served a prison sentence Andrew continuing to mix with him is disgusting. He cannot claim not to know of Epstein’s crimes when the man had been found guilty in a court of law. In my opinion Andrew should stand down from all royal duties.

suzie why not church ?

Lessismore Wed 28-Aug-19 12:15:59

Annie, I was not commenting on whether or not a whole family should be damned because of some members.

My thoughts are that they should be very careful and very honourable and vigilant......some members of the RF manage that brilliantly.

Beckett Wed 28-Aug-19 12:19:23

Saville took in a lot of people - however Epstein was a convicted sex offender, I think Andrew continuing his friendship with him is what a lot of people can't understand

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 12:21:04

Some have Lessismore

Callistemon Wed 28-Aug-19 16:34:55

Saville was a vile loner but Epstein networked and drew the rich and powerful into his malevolent web with the help of Maxwell.

Callistemon Wed 28-Aug-19 16:45:13

jura
I think it is vitally important because HM is our Head of State, apolitical yes, but nonetheless part of of the British system of government.
As long as Andrew attempts a cover-up with mealy-mouthed official statements the more damaging this is and the Queen should urge him to do the right thing, answer questions in America, now France too, and not support him so openly in public.
What she says to him or does in private is between mother and son and could break her heart if there is the slightest foundation to this, but the institution is far more than that one person, Andrew.

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 16:57:59

Who said a whole family should be damned because of one member ? Not me .

I said and I quote yet again

“are the rf going to wiggle themselves out of this one? Probably”

Where in that sentence does it say I blame the whole family? I condemn the whole family ?

To expand..... I don’t doubt that the rf PR machine will be working overtime in trying to find ways to enable airmiles to get out of this “unfortunate” mess he has found himself in .

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 17:12:21

Are the royal family involved or one member of the royal family ?

Are the PR team in St. James Palace involved ?

eazybee Wed 28-Aug-19 17:13:45

are the rf going to wiggle themselves out of this one? Probably
Where in that sentence does it say I blame the whole family? I condemn the whole family ?

When you use the initials 'rf one can only assume that they refer to the royal family; you don't specify particular members.
If you mean Prince Andrew, say so.
Semantics.

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 17:17:14

Callistemon why do France want to ask him questions?

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 17:18:59

Thank you eazybee , thought I was the only who understood royal family to mean an entire family .

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 17:24:00

I’m really not in the nit picking mood but pick away if it makes you happy ?

Do you really believe that the rf publicity machine / legal team etc. will not be all over this? Are we to assume that pa is being left to sort this without the help of the firm? hmm

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 17:27:10

Any damage caused by pa’s antics could potentially damage the rf as a whole , could it not ? Therefore I’m sure the rf and their “peeps” will be trying as a whole to get it put to sleep ASAP .