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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 14:03:38

Wonder how many would give away a property they inherited

GrannyGravy13 Mon 26-Aug-19 15:01:54

Anniebach I certainly wouldn’t!!

Jabberwok Mon 26-Aug-19 15:18:32

Top marks for Edward V11th for parting with Osbourne House! All that lovely seaside given away at the stroke of a pen!!

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 17:20:24

I take it you don't agree with anyone owning second homes annep?
Or houses larger than their needs?
I am thinking some Gransnetters who have second homes could be a tad indignant if they were taken off them and given to the state.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 17:44:13

I've no objection to people owning a second or third home at all if they or their families have earned it.. But I do object to the RF having anything provided by us and all their privileges.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 17:49:15

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

Scroll down to history. No one can think this is right

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 17:57:08

They bought Sandringham and Balmoral, gave away Osbourne House to the nation.

The nation owns leaky Buckingham Palace (used as offices of state, not a home as such).
Windsor Castle belongs to the state but the public was outraged at the thought of paying for repairs after the fire.

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 17:59:57

It's fine by me.
They're not costing us anything then !

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 18:08:44

So William the Conqueror is to blame

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 18:21:15

We'll have to agree to differ.

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 18:26:12

Are we all completely relaxed about Chequers, Dorneywood, Chevening House, Burnham etc and all the other grace and favour homes enjoyed by our politicians?
If so I don't think we should begrudge our Head of State the use of state residences where she can entertain other heads of state, dignitaries and members of the public.

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 18:37:53

If the nation owns BuckHouse why can’t we all use it? Why do people pay to look around a few rooms? confused

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 18:48:28

annep, you don’t mind if someone owns three houses if their family have earned them. Do many own three properties and not rent them out ?

gilly you see no problem with the public walking around bedrooms, offices where staff are working ?

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 18:52:39

I meant “pre book” a room or two or a few suites for a function etc. But just to wander in through the door as we please Annie ! Also Why do they charge the UK public ( who apparently own it) to look round a few rooms?

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 18:52:56

Not just to wander ......

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 18:57:40

I'm not clear on the point you're making Anniebach about renting.

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 18:59:32

gilly the Queen doesn’t sell admittance tickets, the country owns the property the money taken doesn’t go into her pocket . You can afford to book a room or two ?

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 19:02:32

Agree gillybob.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 19:08:41

I thought this was interesting. It is from 2008. But probably still applies.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/17/monarchy.nhs&ved=2ahUKEwiNrMzSj6HkAhXRa1AKHdR7DocQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0QZ3eAZWiVhh-sggMB1LXV&cf=1

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 19:13:04

Probably? Isn’t there a more recent link ?

Gonegirl Mon 26-Aug-19 19:24:19

The National Trust charges loadsamoney to visit their properties Gilly. They all supposedly belong to the nation.

Sparklefizz Mon 26-Aug-19 19:31:24

When you have thousands of people walking around places, there is high maintenance, repairs of wear and tear and general upkeep. Someone has to pay for this.

Gonegirl Mon 26-Aug-19 19:37:10

Well, I think the NT charge too much. Fine for the wealthier middle class. Not so good for families with less money.

They get loads of bequests, as well as having a commercial arm.

Not really for this thread though.

Sparklefizz Mon 26-Aug-19 19:42:09

The NT family membership is £126 for a year, and a family can go every week for that cost. If they go for a day once a month that's £10 for a day out for the whole family..... less than the cost of ice creams for 4. I don't really think you can complain about that.

Obviously if a family only visits once a year, it's expensive, and I agree it's a lot to stump up all at once, but have you seen how much it costs to take kids to the cinema?

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 19:43:26

The ‘few rooms’ open to the public in the summer months are the official state rooms