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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

M0nica Mon 26-Aug-19 19:53:09

Gonegirl I assume your remarks are based on a detailed study of their accounts and annual report.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 21:06:06

Did you read the link Anniebach.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 21:06:43

I think the NT is a different topic entirely.

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 21:18:05

If you mean the second link annepl ? yes, I think it wrong

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 21:38:09

Gosh we agree on something Anniebach grin.

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 21:43:36

We do annepl ?

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 22:46:50

I’m sorry but here in the NE where we have one of the highest unemployment rates and some of the lowest wages in the country, £126 is a massive amount of money for most young families to fork out .

I bet most children in my town have never visited London .

Gonegirl Mon 26-Aug-19 23:04:59

Of course it is gillybob. And if they just want to take the family for a one off trip, rather than forking out for annual membership, the cost is so high it's completely prohibitive. Sorry but it makes me cross. National Trust properties are for the middle classes only. hmm

Gonegirl Mon 26-Aug-19 23:05:48

I do know this is nothing to do with this thread. Sorry.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 23:06:15

True gillybob

Anniebach Tue 27-Aug-19 08:52:17

This isn’t a class war thread .

gillybob Tue 27-Aug-19 09:02:04

Who said it was? Okay so we digress, so what ?

M0nica Tue 27-Aug-19 10:10:04

Please will someone define middle class. It is term so many people bandy about but no one will define. Is it income, house ownership, age, education.

Personally I think it is a stupid phrase just used when people want to criticise a group of people different to them, it fits with living in the 'real' world and that wonderful phrase 'working class'. Surely anyone who depends on their earned income to live is working class?

Anniebach Tue 27-Aug-19 10:20:58

Baffling MOnica , if there is middle class and working class
what class are the unemployed , disabled, retired.

This class war is steeped in envy

Bridgeit Tue 27-Aug-19 10:34:42

Disgracefully & shamefully some of whom you mention Annibach years ago would have been labelled as the Underclass.

suziewoozie Tue 27-Aug-19 10:43:16

NT membership is fantastic value but too expensive for some families - others can afford it but would rather spend money on family outings that frankly have always made me shudder - Disney, Theme Parks, Legoland etc. I hate their sheer commercialism and buy me buy me buy me marketing. It would be nice if NT allowed monthly direct debit payments. If you live in an area well served by them, it’s then a cheap day out- picnic areas, children play areas, and a range of free child centred activities during school holidays. It’s also a shame that so many properties are not accessible by public transport.

Anniebach Tue 27-Aug-19 10:50:17

Yes Bridgeit but there are unemployed, disabled, retired right through society.

Lessismore Tue 27-Aug-19 10:50:58

suzi, exactly that. There is a lovely property fairly near me but absolutely no public transport. The NT could arrange park and ride.

suziewoozie Tue 27-Aug-19 11:14:44

Just looked on NT website. You can pay monthly by dd and there is no extra charge involved. Perhaps the they should advertise that more and also make clear there are picnic areas etc co it’s a bargain day out. My dd also uses NT properties for a break on long car journeys is f there’s one near enough the route.

SueDonim Tue 27-Aug-19 11:54:55

On the topic of National Trust membership, it's cheaper to join the National Trust for Scotland! You get access to all English/Welsh NT properties, and NT properties worldwide.

This are the current membership costs.
National Trust:
Two adult family £126pa. One adult family £76pa.
Direct debit available at same cost.

National Trust for Scotland:
Two adult family £108pa. One adult family £72.
Direst debit available at same cost.

www.nts.org.uk/join

annep1 Tue 27-Aug-19 15:11:33

I don't think its fair to expect the NT to arrange transport.
But they do have concessions for pensioners so maybe extend this to low income etc.
I bought my daughter family membership as a Christmas present.
I agree one off charges are high.

Lessismore Tue 27-Aug-19 15:26:49

I'm not sure if you have any concept of the amount of money they make and the fact that what they are offering is way, way out of reach for many.
I don't see why they couldn't consider some innovative and Green transport so that families of all budgets could enjoy.

Gonegirl Tue 27-Aug-19 16:21:30

Interesting Suedonim. (about Scottish NT)

We had membership for several years, but DH's interest petered out and I don't drive.

annep1 Tue 27-Aug-19 16:25:37

I think it would be very difficult to organise transport. Thats just my opinion.

Gonegirl Tue 27-Aug-19 16:33:26

Well, yes. It would. Pity there's not a better regular bus service to these places anymore. But that's not their fault.