So he’s done it?

The majority of the country voted leave. I was not one of them and I was absolutely shocked at the result, however the fact remains that the majority DID vote leave. Anything other than leaving would be undemocratic.

Those protesters. What are they protesting against? The fact that we will leave? The fact that they wanted a second vote or a best of three, or rock, paper scissors?

Gillybob, apparently there has been talk about voting against the three weeks for the Conferences. I imagine that was heard by No 10.

we have seen what the face(s) of the other side look like - and it ain't pretty

Remainer hatred ain't pretty either. Have you seen some of the protesters, relishing turmoil and violence?

When I talk of anarchy, some with that aim, to upset the establishment, are definitely hiding behind the Remainer banners.

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The majority of the country voted leave. I was not one of them and I was absolutely shocked at the result, however the fact remains that the majority DID vote leave. Anything other than leaving would be undemocratic.

If it was undemocratic I would agree with you but it simply and legally isn't. It was legally an advisory vote. That means MPs are still in the position of doing what they believe is best while taking it into account. To treat it as anything else is undemocratic.

gillybob I have to correct your statement at 13:59: "The majority of the country voted leave"

That is not true. The majority of people who voted, voted leave - not the majority of the country.

But the fact remains that there would be a 3 week recess (conferences) so I'm not sure where all this talk of 5 weeks comes from. It is 2 weeks .

There may have been talk of ending the 3 weeks for conferences but this has not happened as yet.

I really just want it to end, so we can move on but I do fear for our jobs here in the North East and elsewhere of course.

There were no questions on the ballot paper about deals, just remain or leave.
78.4% of the votes were for leave (votes cast, not parliamentary constituencies' results).
Parliament should have just done it when the first date came.
The remoaning MPs are not reflecting the wishes of the great majority of those who voted and should respect what the country voted for, deal or not.
I agree with what the PM is doing, if parliament won't agree with the wishes of the people, they should resign.

Oh for crying out loud humptydumpty . If a load of people couldn't bother their lazy ars*s to vote on one of the most important issues in our lifetime who is to blame for that ?

Its like complaining that you didn't win a prize but I didn't enter anyway. madness.

Any chance we could stick to those who voted remain, those who voted leave,instead of the silly names?

gillybob, who voted Leave, posted "Look, don't get me wrong I wish I could wake up and find its all been a very bad dream but that isn't going to happen is it? so as soon as we get it done the better. At least we will all know where we stand. "

I am sure most of the country wishes we could all wake up and find it was all a very bad dream, including a lot who were conned into voting Leave.

However saying as soon as we get it done the better, implies that brexit on 31st Oct, or any other date would be the end of it. No, it would only be the beginning of a much worse nightmare of wrangling over trade agreements and looking for culprits to blame for what this country has brought upon itself, which would go on for the rest of our lives and blight the lives of our children and grandchildren.

The North East could be the region which suffers the most but everyone, except the foreign billionaires, tax-exile newspaper proprietors and disaster capitalists who have been responsible for selling lies to the poor folk of the NE and elsewhere who thought they were voting for life to get better, not ten times worse.

Let's all hope there is still time for the madness to be stopped once and for all. Let's REVOKE ARTICLE 50. That is the only way we can finally put a stop to it and move on.

pce612 posts:-

"78.4% of the votes were for leave (votes cast, not parliamentary constituencies' results)."

I know we're getting used to lies, but that's a whopper!!!!

I beg your pardon but I BLOODY WELL DID NOT VOTE LEAVE ! varian .

I am a small business owner in the NE of England, the place that will be the hardest hit, why on earth would I have voted leave? Turkey voting for Christmas springs to mind.

I apologise gillybob. I misread your post.

I accept your apology varian thank you

ut the fact remains that there would be a 3 week recess (conferences) so I'm not sure where all this talk of 5 weeks comes from. It is 2 weeks .

No, it doesn't. Boris Johnson has prorogued (suspended) Parliament for 5 weeks.

As you have commented three weeks of that time would normally be Party Conference season when Parliament doesn't sit anyway although there was some talk about voting against that this year.

But. When Parliament returns there will be a Queen's speech and that's always followed by the Queen's Speech debate which lasts a few days. He is squeezing the time available to force a new law through both Houses.

Oops sorry I didn't copy the the quote at the top very well. It should be:

But the fact remains that there would be a 3 week recess (conferences) so I'm not sure where all this talk of 5 weeks comes from. It is 2 weeks gillybob (Thu 29-Aug-19 14:06:28)

...I think we're all a bit stressed at the moment and tempers are running high. Have had several messages from friends [away from gransnet I might add] who are incredibly upset at the moment and DD said she didn't sleep last night...

Now I can't understand that. I don't find it at all personally distressing.

Ok. That sounds snobby. I am truly sorry for anyone who will lose out financially. Just can't get wound up about it myself.

I think it will sort itself out one way or the other.

I got it anyway GracesGran

My point is that there would be a 3 week recess (for conferences) but now there will be 5 weeks. 5 -3 = 2.

It doesn't really change anything though does it ? No-one has come up with a better plan. No-one can force the EU into giving us a super deal.

And, no doubt, you will still be telling people to shut up

I hate the term 'shut up' and wouldn't dream of telling people what to do. You obviously don't know me GracesGran. I do hope the feuding ceases before long. It is futile.

I suggested once Brexit happens maybe the Remainer protest will abate. It serves no purpose.

I suggest you see gillybob's posts. As usual she is straight-forward and as aomeone who wanted to remain, speaks sense. We DO need to move on.

I know of several businesses who really do need a period of stability now. If anything, the last three years of inept negotiation on our part has created more waves than the actual concept of leaving the EU. The stalling is damaging because their counterparts in the EU are unsure what's happening too. No doors have been closed on them, they are confident they will trade as usual once the negotiations are complete, but doors ajar and not fully opened until Brexit is completed is damaging. The uncertainty and parliamentary games-playing is hurting us, not helping us.

Business wants to move on, so do the people. My Remainer friends were disappointed the Leave vote won but they accept it would be undemocratic to stall any further.

I applaud Boris's work so far. It's much needed.

Someone tell me what awful things are going to happen please. I feel I'm not worrying enough!

78.4% of the votes were for leave.

And, once more, I get to the point where I realise there is no point in talking to these people. Lies, lies and make-believe.