Please could someone tell me why I should be really worried about Brexit with no deal

It was not my idea nor was it a view of one side or another as far as I remember - it was an impartial idea I read which seemed to make some sense.

Jacob Rees-Mogg on the Irish/UK border:

www.joe.co.uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-troubles-irish-border-196778

This was a year ago, but there still isn't a sensible solution.

Google the Clones-Cavan bus, which crosses the border four times during 30 minutes.

What about the WTO tariffs on dairy products and beef?

Any answers? Anybody?

I’m with Pamela right at the beginning of the thread. You worry if you want to, this lady’s not for worrying.

I agree Maizie that many voted to leave, it has seemed to me, because they have fear of not being able to understand their own current situation against what they believe it should be.

I don't think I feared anything about staying in although I knew things would, and probably should change over time. My feelings towards Leave don't seem to be any sort of fear either, but rational feelings based on knowledge. It's like jumping off a cliff really, isn't it? You could say I don't want to do it because I am fearful but I actually believe there is no good outcome to jumping off a cliff based on previous experience and acquired knowledge. In the same way, I believe, using all the information I have been able to gather, with no facts actually supplied by leavers as they seem to have an innate intolerance towards them, that there will be no good outcome for decades to come if we leave.

You need fear to inculcate faith, which is all the pro-leave group seem to have. I prefer my fact-based decisions as it seems, do many pro-remain supporters.

I voted remain. Are you saying that a vote to leave would mean an automatic revocation of the Good Friday Agreement and an obligation to install a hard border between these two sovereign countries..? If that's the case why was Theresa May trying to get it taken out of the withdrawal agreement. Obviously no one but Europe (Michel Barnier, other member states, Brussels or whatever you want to call "the other side") want a hard border. This is why we're threatening a no deal because that means we don't agree to it and won't build it.

I can't confirm at the moment but it appears:

Dominic Cummings has sacked some senior civil servants.

There are plans for a three line whip on government business during the days when parliament is sitting before 31 October.

Plans for filibustering to prevent rebels' plans.

Plans to pack the government agenda - again to prevent time being available.

Media blackout, including stopping Johnson and other senior ministers from speaking in public.

Proroguing parliament is just the start.

IF the above is true (and I sincerely hope it isn't - but I'll be watching), I hope that anybody bleating on about "democracy" and the "will of the people" will engage their brains before their mouths in future. This is serious stuff. If one read about some remote third world war country behaving this way, it wouldn't be surprising, but this is supposed to be the "mother of parliaments"!!!

Joyfulnanna I can't even be bothered explaining any more.

... there will NOT be civil war. (Thu 29-Aug-19 15:32:38)

Gonegirl you seem to have decided you are Mystic Meg all of a sudden. If we had Poll Tax riots I can see no reason why we should not have civil unrest over what the Great Johnson is doing. As this seems to go much deeper and the anger is spread over a much bigger section of the population I can see no reason it shouldn't reach that point although I hope it doesn't and would like to work towards averting any such possibility.

That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary. There wasn't even any rioting in the streets. People stayed home at night, watching television, looking for some direction. There wasn't even an enemy you could put your finger on.

(Margaret Atwood, The Handmaid's Tale)

Growstuff.. My last comment was a response to MaizieD

Now that really is scary, growstuff.

Let's hope that some tory MPs cross the floor. Though I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't already been factored in. It could take a revolution to dislodge Johnson.

Bluebelle- NO projects started with EU money, the EU has no money of its own. France, Germany and the UK are the biggest contributors into the communal pot and the other member states are all just takers. It is our money in the first place; easier to just cut out the middle man! Funding which should have gone to our own country for the last 40+ years has gone over to the continent instead. For years the EU has been funding businesses ( with our money) to move their industry out of this country and move abroad; some not even to other EU states, some to Turkey.

Don't you understand why the Leaver voters are so cross.

If there is Civil War, it will be the Remainers who cause it.
If there are shortages of food, medicines etc. it will be selfish people who are stock piling who cause it.
If there is violence over in Ireland/Northern Ireland, it will be IRA who cause it.
Ask the EU what they do on their eastern borders. Have you ever heard of the Turkish/Albanian back stop? No, you haven't because there isn't one.

People aren't stockpiling medicines. There are already shortages of some things. How can you stockpile things like insulin when you can only get it on prescription? Violence had ceased in Ireland until the referendum. Why is it NEVER the fault of those who voted for this mess in the first place. How can you stockpile fresh fruit and vegetables?

Why would there be a Turkish/Albanian backstop?

Why do you think it is in rich countries' interests to make sure other countries have money?

GCSE economics could give you an answer. It's because countries want a market for their goods.

There is also a political reason. If the EU doesn't support countries in the east, Russia (or even China) will step in, as they are already doing in Africa.

I think quizqueen is confused about these border thingies..

The UK's biggest export is services (banking, etc). IT cannot survive on what it produces. It needs to make money overseas, which would be impossible if other countries didn't have money to spend. The UK earns money from interest payments, which it wouldn't be able to do if everybody was broke.

The big banks are already beginning to move out of London to Frankfurt.

So how exactly is the UK going to make up this funding shortfall? Any ideas?

There's a lot of confusion about!

So the English Civil War had nothing to do with Charles 1 being arrogant and not wanting to listen to parliament?

So much ignorance about the EU fuelled by the right wing media. Turkey isn’t in the EU for a start. We didn’t pay into the EU just to get it back - we paid for access to the single market and many other services. Germany pay more than us and are a much stronger economy and better public services, explain that one. Not paying to the EU won’t miraculously mean we have great public services and a stronger economy, it will be the reverse. Anyway, what’s wrong with helping poorer countries improve?

Yet another politician who reassured everybody that we wouldn't be leaving the single market. How can anybody who voted to leave claim that they knew what they were voting for?

If you use insulin you should be worried. In the UK there is only one producer of insulin and they make animal insulin only . We make no analogue insulin which is the type that most people use. The largest producer of analogue insulin is in Denmark. So what will happen after Brexit? I don't know, I suspect that no-one knows, but I am worried that if there is a shortage of insulin people will become very ill and might die. By the way the company that makes insulin also makes HRT so that could also be in short supply. I suppose that the reply I will get will be along the lines of ' the government is bound to think of that '. quite frankly I wouldn't trust them to help me cross the road. They gave no thought to what would happen in case the referendum was a result for leave; they had no back up plan, they were arrogant. I don't trust Boris to be truthful about anything; he has form for being untruthful.

By the way we don't seem to make penicillin either. The largest producer is in China. I had an infection a few years ago that could have killed me but good old penicillin stopped it in it's tracks. My GP said that penicillin was the best medication for it.
I think we should all be very worried.

Perhaps we should be worried that those in Government cannot be trusted. Too many of them have lied and lied again. That is worrying.

How about adding to the news you’re going to keep a watchful eye on, growstuff the worrying report that a head of the Civil Service (can’t remember his name, in the news early today) supposedly impartial - has recommended the Service ‘downs tools’ so as not to support Her Majesty’s Government.

Scary stuff indeed.

maddyone my response to you is the same as to Pamela: Congratulations, it must be delightful not to have to worry your head about how the rest of the population of the UK will be affected; just stay in your nice comfortable cave.