Please could someone tell me why I should be really worried about Brexit with no deal

GG MK3

"That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary. There wasn't even any rioting in the streets. People stayed home at night, watching television, looking for some direction. There wasn't even an enemy you could put your finger on."

(Margaret Atwood, The Handmaid's Tale)
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The problem is there are those who have ' already ' ignored our Constitution, ignored Parliamentary Precedence from the Speaker of the House to those who ignore a democratic Referendum result and say they would do so again, those who would install Corbyn or who ever as a truly ' unelected ' Prime Minister of a so ' Care Taker' Government of Unity that don't agree on anything other than No Deal is not an option with the EU.

They say ' it would be temporary' too.

Gonegirl I suppose it depends what sort of things worry you. It bothers me that a small body of right wing people (mostly white men) can bring in legislation that effectively stops proper democratic process taking place and does so under the pretence of imposing the 'will of the people'.
If we have No-deal all of the trade deals negotiated through the EU, not just those with EU countries become null and void. We are a country that massively imports goods.
The pound is already plunging and there will be people in finance speculating to make fortunes from this, this will only increase.
I think young people will begin to march and demonstrate about this and some of us oldies may join them. Civil unrest in a democratic country shouldn't be necessary.

So that's OK then,*POGs*. We can just sit back and enjoy the Right Wing coup as the Executive tramples all over our Sovereign Parliament.

Hadn't you heard, trisher,that the demonstrations have already begun?
Thousands in London on Wednesday demonstrating outside Parliament and Downing St... Local protests all over the country yesterday.. Lots more planned for the next few days.
Will the govt invoke the Civil Contingencies Act, I wonder?

I know there are marches MaizieD - I'll be at one on Sat but I was thinking of more violent demonstrations which might result if something isn't offered to alleviate things.

Had to chuckle at this one....upset as I am about what's happening there's also a lot of warmth and humour around which lightens my mood somewhat...

‘Violent demonstrations ‘? Jeez.
What on earth is being discussed here?
Talk about incitement.

And ‘white old men’?

What about James Cleverly on team Boris? Young & black.
And that other guy whose name escapes me?

MaizieD Fri 30-Aug-19 11:23:56

"So that's OK then,*POGs*. We can just sit back and enjoy the Right Wing coup as the Executive tramples all over our Sovereign Parliament."
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Well many are happy to sit back and enjoy the possibility of a takeover of the Executive by Parliament by the Remain MP's under the guise of having a Government of Unity. A Government of Unity where the only thing that unites them is they don't want a No Deal Brexit but that's it. More fighting like cats in a sack to follow and no idea what / how the process should follow.

You were happy to see a totally ' unelected ' Prime Minister trample over Parliament and shove 2 fingers up to the democratic votes the people had returned at the ballot box.

I won't call that a 'Left Wing Coup ' but given the parties involved it is as near as with the help of rebel Conservatives.

"mostly white men"
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That always smacks of mysandry with a tinge of racism when that trope is used and the context is so obvious.

gonegirl

If you are healthy and not relying on life saving medicines, or retired with a good pension, or wealthy or in a secure post Brexit job, or are young and had hoped for the opportunity the various membership of the EU brings, then sit back and relax you have indeed nothing to worry about.

I don't like identity politics, but James Cleverly plays the race card when it suits him. To be honest, I don't think anybody in their right mind could claim he's a "mover and shaker" or one of the brains in the Conservative Party.

growstuff

"but James Cleverly plays the race card when it suits him"
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Interesting comment.

Can you give any occasions when he has ' used the race card'?

I have never heard James Cleverley ‘play the race card’ and he comes over as an intelligent and sensible man.

Actually Labaik I would expect somewhere like Malvern to be protesting, in a genteel way of course.

Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London school of hygiene and tropical medicine
Tim Lang professor of food policy and consultant to the world health organisation
Maggie Ray president if the faculty of public health an association representing 4000 public health professionals.

Produced a paper which says Brexit and in particular a no deal brexit risks exacerbating health problems and detrimentally affecting life expectancy in poorer areas

Potential for medicine and food shortage

Supply chains will be compromised

Likely consequences is a ———-rise in suicides, and alcohol related deaths.
Rise in communicable diseases.

People already in poverty will face increased difficulty in accessing housing and underfunded local services.

There is NO EVIDENCE that the government has carried out a proper impact assessment on no deal and health outcomes.

Government claims that it is prepared are entirely implausible.

At best it might be able to mitigate the worse consequences, but there should be no doubt that any medicines including life saving agents for cancer diagnoses and therapy cannot be stockpiled.

This is the biggest crises ever to face the NHS.

Let’s hope you and yours stay well in the next year or so folks!

The continued uncertainty has pushed the U.K. to the bottom of the G7 league growth table.

If there is a no deal outcome, the U.K. will be in recession very quickly and certainly by the end of the year.

Looking back at the OP I think we should be concerned about what kind of a country Johnson and the Brexiteers actually believe they will achieve.

It will possibly be smaller as Brexit adds to the argument the Scottish Nationalist put forward. It is likely to have alienated both business and individuals so those who can leave may well do so.

It feels as if the Johnson/ERG cabal - not even a majority - don't really care what is left when they have finished. They just want to win at any cost. Even they are not bothering to pretend any more that there will be any real benefits.

I find that concerning.

Only skim read the last couple of days of posts.

Labaik yes, its funny but it is actually very true! Not much rocks the boat there.

Someone mentioned the EU being selfish, of course they are. We have heard America First, Canada waiting until we are at our lowest before striking any sort of deal. Why wouldn't they? Why would any country put little UK before their own interests? This attitude has been puzzling me for thre years.

This has been on Twitter and Facebook today and so far I haven't seen any good answers: www.facebook.com/BritainForAll/photos/a.803829216342819/2682382665154122/?type=3&eid=ARA92WDpzWOqDmCayN5wyKu1kNLv7tv_F562XMFqDcWtdwR6nTpj9jOuuVlkG3iXwNn9_hJIGePGUNkN&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCMoQu_GcXlimUAU8z3f3iVvwcI_9yyR19ayo4NN8t8R15CJV_fqp1yiyCFWfDauODAt8R80DhuhpiREK3A_e0TdhAi2afLOkWscyjQF0UPgxQFpPuRx2VUGKVGe7jRRGBz9fKYcN8TsoQBXsn7GnD-wWcdpv4X4xwbrFfKuiRxVC8XR9JU63tIvJq8AhmlbzIdPkWwIXoxs8N8D1c7uXr9ZcA2cNnBn3JC_r6BVLIfbEgjXlKFEgTdaR4i3-735rLKHf1j2QUXP-K08gXQJpl35C0qgbvmiUuW_hscSnHpQJx5fXbu60c0Zk1thTOD3gxeVTmlklJcNPUxEA4&__tn__=EHH-R

Why should people be concerned about Brexit? Because Britain as a full member of the European Union is part of an open internal borderless market of four hundred and eighty million persons.

Britain on leaving the European Union (especially if that is on the basis of no deal) will be a border enclosed market of sixty million persons with tariffs and other restrictions placed on goods and services exported from the United Kingdoms shores.

Now, many manufacturers and large service providers are looking at forward planning investment and placing that investment in European Union member states as that will be the largest and most open market into the future.

Relocation is becoming the "order of the day", and where those large corporate organisations go, their suppliers both large and small are following.

The above means that the "tax take" from those companies to the government will become far less and in time that will impact on any governments ability to pay pension benefits etc.

Of course, the no-deal Brexetiers do not wish to draw the British publics attention to the above.

Change is good. There will be some hiccups - and we’ll work them out.
It will be fine. And Europe will trade with us - it’s in their interests to do so.

In what way will it be good for you and your family Tigertooth. What will the government be able to do that the EU has prevented us from doing that will improve your life?

Change can be good, of course, but change for changing's sake is has no obvious good so perhaps you could explain what "good" it will be to you personally and your family?

Tigertooth Quote [ Change is good. There will be some hiccups - and we’ll work them out.
It will be fine. And Europe will trade with us - it’s in their interests] End Quote.

Tigertooth, can you explain how leaving the European Union will improve the living standards of all who reside in the United Kingdom.

Can you point me and others to the "grand plan" of post-Brexit Britain? For, many like myself see only "head in the sand" hope with nothing to give credence for even having that "hope"

Tiger of course they will trade with us, all countries will but at what cost? How long will it take to make agreements and why would anyone give us a good deal? In the meantime perhaps everyone should look up WTO rules in order to understand what life will be like on 1st November.

The only 'good' thing to come out of it will be lots of extra jobs for import/export experts and lawyers.

Riot police deployed following Govan demonstrations - BBC ...

www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49526876

Violent enough for you? United Ireland marchers in Glasgow attacked by 400 ish Loyalists .Just what we need..not!!