Stop the Coup

But why do they want no deal? Before and just after the referendum, they were promising that there would be a deal and it would all be easy. What the heck do they really want? What do they want to happen in Ireland? Do they actually care?

Chichester only voted 51% to leave in the referendum, so it was marginal. Same in my constituency (true blue Conservative and marginal leave) and there are an awful lot of people who have been woken out of their complacency by what's happening. There's been a vigil here for the last week against the prorogation. It's been growing every day and a few people came up yesterday and explained that they're still Conservative but are horrified at what the government is doing. One lady said she wouldn't be voting in the next election and another said she'd reluctantly be voting LD. They're decent people and are shocked at what their government is doing.

They didn’t worry last March why should the EU worry in October.

Cummings wants no deal

What people have failed to understand is that no deal is a Boris ploy to scare Europe into agreeing to re-negotiate.

But the EU are not impressed by it.

It's not a question of people 'not understanding'; an awful lot of the UK electorate also fails to see why threatening to shoot one's own foot off is a credible negotiating ploy.

They hate the backstop, but primarily I think they want a no deal

Why exactly do the ERG lot object to a deal? Maybe if their objections were understood, the issues could be dealt with.

I have just listened to Gus O'Donnell, former head of the Civil service, explaining that it was essential that no deal is taken off the table.

He explained that the EU may, at the eleventh hour, make some minor concession which would enable Johnson to come back waving a bit of paper and urging everyone to vote for his fabulous new deal, otherwise the default was no deal. The ERGs and other brextreemists would still refuse to vote for it. Why should they? No deal brexit is what they want.

He is a crossbencher in the House of Lords and if legislation to prevent no deal gets through the Commons, he and many others in the Lords will do their all to make sure that brextreemist peers cannot sabotage it. So there is still hope this disaster can be averted.

Parliament plan to take control of the order paper using the emergency debate procedure, by asking the speaker to enable this to take place.

HoL May filibuster but this can be curtailed by the House.

If law passed then government should follow the law.

Fixed term means that Johnson has to get parliamentary permission for a GE

Extraordinary at the level of protest throughout the country, big surprise for me is the protest taking place in Chichester of all places. Blimey!!

I agree Starbird Its hard to understand why others can't seem to see this! He needs to look tough or they wont take him seriously.

varian Quote [Did they not have a 20% lead in the polls just before the 2017 GE?] End Quote

Varian, I seem to remember that a poll on the day that Theresa May called the 2017 General Election gave the Conservative Party a 23% lead above the Labour Party.

Based on that the Labour Party prospects look "fantastic" this time around.

At the next election it will be every party for themselves- same as usual.

What people have failed to understand is that no deal is a Boris ploy to scare Europe into agreeing to re-negotiate. He has to convince Europe that he means it, which includes the plan to stop Bercow from scuppering it at the last minute.
Unfortunately the remainers look to be the ones throwing a spanner in the works,
Surely people on GN remember ‘Yes Minister’ ? For sure Boris does and it’s just up his street.

Anyone who voted to remain in the EU has not cared one twaddle that the majority of our laws and regulations for the last 40 years or so have NOT been made by our Parliament. Now, all of a sudden when we have the chance to change that, Remainers are pretending they believe our Parliament should get to decide things. If you want to remain in the EU, you do not care about the sovereignty of this country or its elected MPs, stop pretending you do.

Snap, varian. I hadn't seen your post.

There are at least 30 Tory seats which are vulnerable. It depends whether the opposition parties get their act together.

www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/defence/conservative

Boris Johnson would see his party lose up to 50 seats at the next general election if Labour joined forces with the pro-Remain parties, according to analysis that is likely to lead to fresh calls for Jeremy Corbyn to open the door to an electoral pact.

While a so-called “Remain alliance” between the smaller pro-EU parties would only affect the outcome in a maximum of around 25 Tory-held seats, the Conservatives would lose almost double that number of constituencies if Labour agreed to be involved, according to polling expert Professor John Curtice.

Such a result would make it all but impossible for the Tories to assemble a pro-Brexit majority in the Commons and would instead raise the prospect of Labour governing in coalition with one of the other parties.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/remain-alliance-labour-coalition-lib-dems-conservative-boris-johnson-election-a9076951.html

Not necessarily. It depends how the votes fall. If they're in seats which are already Conservative, it won't make much difference.

Did they not have a 20% lead in the polls just before the 2017 GE?

Just had a quick look at Opinion Polls on twitter Conservatives have 10.5% lead which according to my school girl maths could amount to an extra 80+ Conservative MPs.

The polls have demonstrated for the last two years that most people want us to REMAIN in the EU, but that has not stopped the Conservatives from continuing to say "people just want us to get on and leave"

… and even diplomats being smeared (remember Kim Darroch?)

I wish I were so confident Grandad, but I'm not. I'm afraid Corbyn will continue to be a liability as far as swing voters are concerned.

The Conservatives have already decided on the "people vs parliament" strategy, which is why we're seeing parliament, civil servants, judges, etc being smeared. The "bread and circuses" give-aways are all part of it, even though you don't have to scratch the surface very far to realise that much of that is a con.

varian Quote [The Tory campaign motto would be "people v politicians" with them claiming to be on the side of the people against the treacherous elite politicians who have plotted to thwart the will of the people so we remain in the EU.] End Quote.

varian, it could be that the Tory election agenda would be based on a "people vs politicians" platform. However, they would still have the problem of selling a no-deal Brexit to the electorate, which polls have demonstrated the public do not want.

On that platform the Tories may well play right into Labour Party hands on that.

Will the voter be fooled?

Well you haven’t got to look far on GN to know the answer to that is Yes.