The Real Prime Minister

trisher

"Can you explain the "scale" and "reasoning" remark?
As far as I can see the reasoning in the Tory party is that Cummings says it's so and that's that."
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So now you want me to expand on my post you called a ' deflection'! Couldn't make it up as the saying goes.

Scale. Remember the 2016 Hostile List? Momentum has been ratcheting up the 'deselection' of MP's for years. Momentum are/have successfully GAINED ELECTION of Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine.

Reasoning. I presume the Conservatives are using ' deselection' because those MP's are willing to put Corbyn/Momentum into Government if they vote ' NO Confidence' in their democratically elected Leader.

Momentum wanted to deselect MP's to gain power, this has already been achieved so now the Labour Party must no longer be a Broad Church party but Far Left that is only achieved by getting rid of the remnants of what they see as the Blairites, middle of the road MP's.

Are Unelected bureaucrats ok for leavers as long as they’re not foreign (or remainers obv) ? Rasputin springs to mind when I think of Cummings.

trisher Sun 01-Sep-19 13:25:32

"Ah POGS well done! a successful deflection from the very undemocratic workings of the Tory party to democratic Labour."
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Really?

I was answering a previous post by Whitewave:-

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Sep-19 11:09:38

"Anyone remember all the pearl clutching and ranting that went on about Labour de-selection?"

Further to your silly point I did not try to deflect from the Tory Party I said:-

"The Conservatives are behaving in a similar vein when it comes to ' deselection' so I will not be a hypocrite".

You rely must try to follow the time line of threads trisher or you look over ambitious to attack the man not the ball.

Yes, just seen that. I almost fell off my chair. "Strong" is not a word I associate with Johnson.

The prime minister isn’t strong???

In what ways isn't parliament sovereign, quizqueen?

If you're so bothered by parliamentary sovereignty, why aren't you protesting now? You can't use the EU as an excuse.

What kind of parliamentary system would you like to see?

"Parliament vs people" rhetoric seems to be working.

Any Remainers who protest at Parliament's loss of sovereignty hasn't cared that for the last 40 years+ we have had to bow down to the rules and regulation set out by the EU! If you still want to stay in the EU, stop pretending you care about this country's sovereignty and its ability to make its own decisions. We had a very weak Prime Minister and many didn't like it, now have a very strong one and people don't like it. All PMs have their advisors, remember Alistair Campbell.

POGS I am surprised that granddad43 know more than several labour MP’s I know.

I await the names of the MP’s who may be deselected to be posted

westendgirl Sun 01-Sep-19 13:17:33

Look carefully at those who voted against the deal . Jane 10. What about the ERG group who most definitely are not remainers ? Funny how they are often overlooked.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 01-Sep-19 13:14:32
jane no - wrong, if May could have persuaded the ERG and co-horts to support her WA none of this would be happening.
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What rubbish.

Had the opposition benches voted for the Withdrawal Agreement ' the numbers' would have carried the Withdrawal Agreement passing.

The ERG did not have ' the numbers' to avoid it passing.

I have never received a response as to what Labour objected to in the Withdrawal Agreement. It wasn't the Back Stop and Theresa May gave Labour a further 10 point concession to alleviate the points Labour were suppose concerned about such as the Environment etc.

Ah POGS well done! a successful deflection from the very undemocratic workings of the Tory party to democratic Labour.
Can you explain the "scale" and "reasoning" remark?
As far as I can see the reasoning in the Tory party is that Cummings says it's so and that's that.

roses ? sorry to confuse. You would know what I meant if you were a long time member.

Tbh, certain politicians don't want a deal, any deal, they just pretend they do! What on earth can be decided in six days that couldn't be decided in three years?!!! It's just sad that MP's aren't honest enough to come clean and admit that they don't want a deal, never have and never will, so we're left with No Deal, or Remain, which lets face it is the truth of the matter! At least it proves one thing, democracy only works one way, the political way, go against that and you can forget it!

POGS there has always been deselection in both parties. Because of their core views Labour has done it in a more public way by the membership (as we would all expect) and the Tories usually do it more privately by Central Office (as we would all expect) which, of course, is it as open to interpretation as the shouting about Momentum that we hear.

WW2 I am roses on this forum nothing to do with lemons

Grandad

"POGS, the above should read "Momentum are/have successfully GAINED ELECTION of Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine."
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Accepted but it proves my point.

"The number of sitting MPs which may be deselected I believe has fallen to less a than thirteen, as quite a number have spent their summer recess period rebuilding their working relationships with there Constituency Management and members."

Interesting, you certainly are knowledgeable considering you are neither a Labour or Momentum Member. Is that information from your Union connections?

Who are they, do you know? I guess the numbers reduced as some Labour MP's went to a different Party so would naturally not be selected. Those who sit as Independents also reduced the numbers on the ' desection' list, jumped before being pushed!

Look carefully at those who voted against the deal . Jane 10. What about the ERG group who most definitely are not remainers ? Funny how they are often overlooked.

jane no - wrong, if May could have persuaded the ERG and co-horts to support her WA none of this would be happening

humptydumpty sigh. Yes it is! All this agitation wouldn't be going on if it wasn't for remainers determinedly trying to derail our leaving the UK.
If they'd just agreed Theresa's deal NONE of this would be happening.

POGS Quote [ Momentum are/ have successfully placed Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine from the Leaders Office, NEC, councils and it will be Momentum Candidates who will replace Labour MP's who will have been deselected.] End Quote

POGS, the above should read "Momentum are/have successfully GAINED ELECTION of Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine.

Momentum, where they are holding managerial and executive positions within District and Constituency Labour Parties, have been elected to those positions which is much different to being "placed" into those positions.

The number of sitting MPs which may be deselected I believe has fallen to less a than thirteen, as quite a number have spent their summer recess period rebuilding their working relationships with there Constituency Management and members.

I can see no outcome that does not bring about a split in the Tory party.

I can also see great difficulty in the remain alliance winning as there isn't anyone of equal stature bullying-wise to the ERG, on their side.

How can some people come up with “it ll be alright after October 31st” what utter tripe we re in for the rockiest road we ve ever been down since WW2 except everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet then, fighting the enemy and now the two sides are fighting each other,
A completely divided nation,
I would have accepted the referendum if it had been a truthful one but it wasn’t it was built on lies and media/moguls shenanigans about as democratic as a fxxx

Jane10: sigh. This is not about no Brexit, it is about no deal Brexit.

Two wrongs don't make a right (or so my headmistress used to say).

'There are rumours that the Prime Minister Dominic Cummings'

Cummings today, Milne tomorrow, Campbell in the past.

Momentum have been promoting ' deselection' of MP's ' for years', from the day Corbyn became Leader.

Momentum are/ have successfully placed Momentum candidates/members into the heart and soul of the running of the Labour Party machine from the Leaders Office, NEC, councils and it will be Momentum Candidates who will replace Labour MP's who will have been deselected.

The Conservatives are behaving in a similar vein when it comes to ' deselection' so I will not be a hypocrite. There is a distinct difference as to the ' scale' and reasoning between the two however.

The MP's who left their respective Parties and who now sit as Independent MP's should naturally be deselected and it has been my position all along that action should by law have triggered a by-election and I hope that becomes the view of Parliament.