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NO DEAL is the only way. The EU 'wrote' the WA Agreement.

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mcem Sun 01-Sept-19 17:25:25

'The Irish backstop could be the lesst of our worries'.
Typical of the 'I'm alright Jack' leaver.
Tell that to my friends in NI who are just a wee bit worried that the inevitable reintroduction of the border if there's no backstop will take them back to the time of the Troubles.

Then again I heard one commentator say that even if BJ & co sign up to an agreement with the backstop, they are such untrustworthy liars that they'll simply break the promise when it suits them!

mostlyharmless Sun 01-Sept-19 17:23:14

This what Tory ministers have said about getting a deal:

Surely all those Tories weren’t lying Day6?

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/nobody-said-it-was-easy

mostlyharmless Sun 01-Sept-19 17:17:10

Oh don’t worry Day6. Isn’t Boris going to find “alternative arrangements” to avoid the Backstop? He’s got two or three weeks left before Merkel’s deadline.
Easiest deal in history isn’t it?

Day6 Sun 01-Sept-19 17:14:32

Sorry, one 'agreement' too many in the title.

Day6 Sun 01-Sept-19 17:11:59

and it ties us to the EU indefinitely.

The Irish backstop could be the least of our worries.

May's WA must be rejected completely. It is an incredibly complicated document leaving hardly a subject not covered, and everything in it has been designed to be beneficial to the EU.

I doubt if any MP has read it from cover to cover. Nearly every paragraph is cross-referenced to a Treaty, Regulation or Directive, and each one has to be looked up, read and understood before moving on. It takes hours.

So says John Ashworth in his article This EU-written Withdrawal Agreement is toxic from start to finish

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/this-eu-written-withdrawal-agreement-is-toxic-from-start-to-finish/

It is a very revealing article, written by someone who has made an effort to link the words to the many treaties, acts and sub-paragraphs which determine the UK's role after a decidedly dodgy exit (or non-exit as it transpires) from the EU.

It is very worrying.

He concludes

During any transition period, we would not be classified as a ‘third country’, so although technically one could claim that we had left the EU, in practical terms, we *wouldn’t have done so – rather the opposite*

We would effectively be controlled by the EU to such a degree that we might just as well shut our Parliament down

We would finally become a ‘third country’ on 1 January 2023, as it is doubtful that the EU would consider an extension other than on the previous transition terms, which would essentially mean that we would still not have left the EU in any meaningful way

We would still be paying our ongoing fees, at full rate, to the EU. The EU would still control our fisheries and our armed forces and we would still be subject to the European Court of Justice, with our Parliament still essentially sidelined. No one in their right minds could want us to be in such a situation

We do not want Brexit in name only (BRINO) which is what the WA will give us, if our only request is the dropping of the backstop.

Boris, must be careful. May's WA is a non-starter. Farage, in waiting, understands that the WA has to be rejected - in full.