Will the Tory party survive this crises?

So true gmarie

What a nation we have become, with a choice between a Marxist Leninist or an extreme right wing anti-democratic liar. For myself having joined the Labour Party 60 years ago, I suggest if you are in England and want to continue with our parliamentary democracy next time you must vote SD, Green or Centre Party. Sad days

LibDem is your best choice apsthame

Mogg been called out over his disgraceful body language

MN reporting that - Whip being withdrawn from rebels as they debate.

So now Johnson will go for a GE.

One Tory crosses the floor and one top Libdem leaves to join Labour.
I think the Libdems should have looked Phillip Lees voting record before accepting him.
They must be desperate to accept someone who votes against everything they believe in ?

Which top LibDem has joined Labour???

Johnson’s first vote as PM and he’s on course to lose

Oh dear not a good start

Majority bigger than expected

It was Phillip Lee varian

21 +Philip lee

I thought Philip Lee went from Tory to Liberal

Which LibDem has joined Labour?

Dr Phillip Lee has joined the LibDems from Conservatives.

I don’t think it was a MP I think it was a Lib official who represents LGBT in protest at Lee.

Ah! Thank you for the reply, Whitewave. Do you feel strongly about LGBT rights, petra?

Back to the OPs question....possibly now that some Tories have put the interests of the country ahead of their own political ambitions. Thought Ken Clarke nailed it in his speech,

So, we won't get a no deal Brexit. If the Rebel Alliance is wise Johnson won't get to choose his GE date, either. He needs 433 votes to get it and he hasn't got them. Let him stew. A50 extension, then he can put his failed plans to the public in a GE. His attempt to bypass Parliamentary democracy has royally peed off an awful lot of people...

Will the Tory party survive this crisis? - well frankly who cares?

Yes, it has. I know from my own contacts and experience that the attack on democracy and the law has energised people who wouldn't normally be bothered by politics and those who aren't ardent Remainers. Johnson and Cummings have gone too far.

I care, Luckygirl, because I'm interested in knowing how it will all turn out. My personal view is that the Conservative Party as many have known it over the last few decades is over. It's struggled to recruit new and younger members for quite some time. I don't know whether it's true, but it's said that the average age of Conservative Party members is 72.

I think we're going to see some kind of new right wing party. Whether it's a Trump-style/Brexit Party grouping or something more "one nation Conservatism" I haven't a clue, but I think it's inevitable. It happened in the US. People forget that the Democrats were once the "conservatives". It's also happening in Germany.

"So, we won't get a no deal Brexit"

Might be worth not counting chickens yet Maizie after what we have seen with the Rasputin in the background, but I hope you are right.

I think Rasputin might be on his way out. He’s misjudged a few things but thinking the threat of withdrawal of the whip would make “the rebels” toe the line may be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Not only did Boris lose but he looked a complete idiot. He won’t forgive that easily.