Believing Politicians

I agree GG13 I think the general public has had a shock these last three years seeing the self serving MPs doing just what they want to do instead of agreeing to back the referendum results.
Some doing anything they can to avoid us leaving, others sticking out for only an extreme Brexit ( which may in the end become the only way to leave.)
Nobody thought politicians were all that great ( the expenses scandal amongst other things) but this has put the tin lid on it.
Either turnout will be at an all time low in the next GE or voters will make their usual political parties pay for it.

"We demand our highest ranking police officers Cressida Dick and Lynne Owens act on referendum fraud."

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That’s very interesting Varian I hadn’t picked up on the disclosure issue, there are going to have a great many high earners in all spheres affected by that. Logically the U.K. is just as concerned about tax avoidance but outside the EU would we follow?.

A reminder of all the Brexiteers who appeared in the Paradise Papers as EU tax avoidance legislation looms

By 2020 the EU will bring in a law instructing anyone with off shore accounts and investments to disclose them to enable full scrutiny so they can no longer get away with tax avoidance and evasion.

What does Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit financier Arron Banks and right-wing media owners Sir David and Sir Frederick Barclay have in common?

You might think the answer is simple; they’re all hugely influential pro-Leave backers. But the reality is far more sinister.

All of the aforementioned personalities were caught up in the Paradise Papers leak in 2017.

Rees-Mogg, who took up the position of Leader of the House of Commons under Boris Johnson’s administration, was found to have pocketed $680,000 while working for an offshore investment firm.

While Aaron Banks, who donated £8.5 million to Nigel Farage and his campaign to leave Europe, is part owner of a bank on the Isle of Man which turns over millions of pounds a year.

The Barclay brothers, owners of the Daily Telegraph, were found to have interests in Bermuda-based Reid Finance Ltd, and both Andrea Leadsom’s husband and brother-in-law were caught up in the scandal.

Although there’s nothing new in finding high-profile political personalities with dubious financial pasts, it does raise a question over their motivations for leaving the European Union.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/a-reminder-of-all-the-brexiteers-who-appeared-in-the-paradise-papers-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/

“Only the most guillible voters will actually believe the lies but they have one vote just like everyone else, so if you keep lying they will vote for you.”

There are hell of a lot of gullible voters, who just don’t understand how deals are done, you give and take but you don’t compromise your principles, the concept that we were going to “cherry pick” deals was never going to be conceded.

The backstop is designed to prevent the U.K. taking any unfair advantage in trade through NI, they are not going to concede that either. So the original Brexit concept is in tatters, it was all lies and manipulation, we are not going to gain anything tangible, the whole sorry mess is based on dreams and emotions.

Not all MP’s are dishonest. Not all MP’s are a Johnson or Corbyn , thank heaven

There is someone in the US who started to count Trump's lies, but gave up when the count went over a thousand (or maybe two thousand)

Our lying government is trying to compete with Trump.

I watched a TV interview with Gove the other day and counted about ten lies in three minutes, It could just as well have been Dominic Raab or Boris Johnson.

It seems that Cummings just gives them a script full of lies and instructs them to keep repeating them as often as they can on the premise that a lie repeated enough times is eventually perceived as the truth.

Only the most guillible voters will actually believe the lies but they have one vote just like everyone else, so if you keep lying they will vote for you.

agreed absthame, most are not liars, but Johnson, we know is one, he has been sacked for it, found out several times, and anyone who believes that he has changed in anyway needs to give their head a wobble. gallusquine yes, it is frustrating, unfair and undemocratic, especially given the misinformation which led to many people's decision.

Most politicians are not intentional liars. Of course they like us individuals change their stances and views as conditions change or previously unknown or unclear facts become known. However there are serial liars like Johnson, who has built his entire career on saying anything he sees as getting what he wants no matter what.

I can understand how frustrated and let down you must feel. In my country we voted overwhelming to remain I'm sure you can empathise with how frustrating it is when 1/4 of the whole holds sway ?

I also think that Johnson is setting Gove up for public humiliation as revenge for preventing him getting the top job last time. Gove is darting about, fibbing his head off, doing what his master tells him. I for one, shall laugh when it all comes crashing down on his grinning head. In the words of the late great Terry Thomas 'They are all an absolute shower'.

I feel your pain skyjoe especially the last sentence?

I now turn the news off....politicians make my blood pressure rise.
They always did to a certain extent but it’s so bad now I actually get the rage when I see Boris or Lord Snooty .

I turn over and ignore.

No matter what I think they will do what they want and they will do so no matter what issues it may cause.

Unprincipled wankers the lot of them.

wadesnan yes I’m sorry I forgot a reference. I will find it and bung it on.

Whitewave is your "EU official" part of the negotiating team?

Brexit lies.

Provided it is won fair and square and one if the sides is not found guilty of fraud as in the last referendum, then the country will accept the result, based on full knowledge.

What happens if a second referendum produces the same result?

I must admit that I am becoming increasingly "bamboozled" by all the game playing from both sides, have never noticed so many MPs jumping ship.

Actually gg13 Corbyn would jump at an election, but not on Johnson’s terms. That would be mad.

Jeremy Corbyn has been repeatedly asking for a GE, now he doesn't want one????

Sorry both sides are liars and full of "con artists"

Andrew Adonis

Where we are at:

Johnson says parliament is undermining EU negotiations, but Cummings tells insiders they are a ‘sham.’ Goes on TV to say he doesn’t want an election, but in fact has one planned for Oct or Nov

One lie after another. Essential parliament stops him today!

More lies

UK prime minister Boris Johnson told the nation yesterday, "as we come to that Brexit deadline I am encouraged by the progress we are making."

I asked an EU official whether it was true that there has been progress in talks.

Their response: "No there hasn't."