If there is an election.....

Not looking likely

Paul Waugh

Labour chief whip Nick Brown just told PLP the party would not back PM's snap election bid. He said party wanted Johnson to "stew in his own juices" and be made to "own" his mess, one present says.
John McDonnell didnt demur.

And before someone says oil is running out....thats lies too,otherwise why would WM still beselling licenses to bring it up .New fields just opened bring tens of thousands of barrels A DAY .Then theres Whisky ...the income for UK is over £40 A SECOND .Not a huge amount when shared by 68 MILLION people but certainly more worth while for the 5 million who live work and contribute HERE

thats a mythjoelsnan Scotland does and always has paid more into the pot than it gets back .The so called Barnett formula just gives us back a % of our own money ,then WM spends the huge sum left and gets itself in debt ..whereby WE are told that 10% of that debt is ours????Couldn't make it up could you.WE dont have a deficit WESTMINSTER spent that money on things that we didn't want and that dont benefit us in any way .Its WESTMINSTERS DEBT .Philip Hammond said as recently as last month that England ...not the UK Annie couldn't afford to pay the interest on its debts wthout Scottish income .

Dont let the fact get in the way of the lies you've been told for decades .Just remember this .The Oil is in SCOTTISH waters the revenue from that oil has been squandered by WM for 40 + years ..tens of billions of pound.Norway with less oil has an oil fund worth Trillions so why would WE be worth less if we gain Independence? In reality Scotland is far wealthier than the rUK put together ..and also remember if we've paid for iit then EVERYTHING currently accepted as being owned by the UK is 10% our property .

Many Scots Labaik continue to want to be part of the UK.

As Jane10 says ( as a Scot herself) don’t be taken in and think Scotland wants to be independent. Sturgeon talks of nothing else, but that’s all it is, talk.
Scotland is unlikely to want to leave the UK.

Where I live, lib dem as labour would not stand a chance. Besides which I would not vote for a Labour candidate that supports the Corbyn cabal, despite of joining the Labour Party 60 years ago, well before the charlatan Corbyn.

Day6 I do wish you would read my post properly before storming in with your criticism of what I said.

Yes Labaik and Scottish voters were assured by the wonderful Cameron that their best way to stay within the EU was to stay within the UK, we all know how well that promise turned out, don't we?

Many Scots voted to remain part of the UK because they didn't want to leave the EU.

And guessing N. Ireland too, Joelsnan.
They're keeping very quiet, even though they hold the balance of the Tories tiny majority.

Heaven forbid we leave the EU and don't survive, don't thrive and don't prosper

If we leave, particularly without a deal I think it is inevitable Scotland will vote for autonomy

Inevitable? Really? Again, you suggest it is likely to happen.

There are many Scots who fear independence and see it as being inviable , economically. I am sure there are many Scots who want to leave the union, but their referendum resulted in no change.

There is no guarantee the EU would give Scotland membership if it stood alone. Why you say it's inevitable I don't know, Gracesgran. Your posts are becoming very questionable.

Could it be Remainer wishful thinking as part of the disaster scenario you and others are looking for post Brexit?

Heaven forbid we leave the EU and survive, thrive and prosper, eh?

Gracesgran
If we leave, particularly without a deal I think it is inevitable Scotland will vote for autonomy.

I think the Scots would have to think really hard on that one considering it currently benefits from fiscal union. It being a net recipient.

If a second referendum ensues, lessons must be learned from the first. It must not become a circus; it must consist of the dissemination of objective facts; there must be stipulations of minimum turnout and minimum margin.

As to a GE - we are in a safe Tory seat here, and unless the opposition parties are willing to field just one candidate between them, then that is how it will stay. Fat chance of them doing that.

we are not a great nation

There are millions and millions of people in NI, Scotland, Wales and England who will tell you otherwise Lessimore

In your view we are not a great nation but you can only speak for your (Remainer, maybe?) self.

I am sick of it all and another referendum, no we have had one, why cant people accept it and let this thing happen so we can get on with it and I voted remain . Just fed up.

If we leave, particularly without a deal I think it is inevitable Scotland will vote for autonomy. Ireland will probably feel the need to reunite too. Neither of this thoughts is particularly outlandish.

Well, I regard myself as patriotic. Leavers have, for too long regarded themselves as the only people who care about the UK; why do you think some of us are fighting hard to reverse what is, in our opinion, the biggest mistake this country has made since the Iraq war...

If the UK ceases to exist

Ye Gods!!!! It gets worse! Yet another end of the world Remainer scenario. It smacks of desperation.

Exactly, Jane10.

Once England and Wales stand alone - which I feel is sure will happen if we leave on no-deal - it will be called England by most people

Are you feeling alright Gracesgran?

What a strange post, and yet MORE scaremongering. Most people are perfectly happy with the union and respect the nations within it as having their own identity and patriotic pride. Why on earth should Wales and England merge? The Welsh would not allow it, nor would the English. We sit happily side by side and respect each other.

*I have used the word 'patriotic'. I know to some posters it's a dirty word used by the right, and they frown if you declare yourself 'patriotic'.

Annie, people of refer to England when they mean Engand and the current other countries of the UK. If the UK ceases to exist then how many people from other countries do you think will bother to differentiate? It nothing to do with "Little Englanders" nor is necessarily what I would want them to say but many people are simply not bothered about it and will use "England" as a shorthand.

(It isn't compulsory that you are always rude you know).

Good grief England and Wales will not have to stand alone! Don't be taken in by Sturgeon's nonsense and wishful thinking.

Annie; with respect I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

My main argument, like many, is that the electorate were told lies, fantasies, propaganda, fearful projections, by both sides, and properly informed opinion was not always used as the basis for our votes

Good grief! So, the electorate would not be allowed into the polling station without taking a test first?

No one asks us at any time why we vote or our reasons why, thank goodness! There are as many Remainers as Leavers who will tell you simply "I think it's the best way forward" without giving reasons.

Some people would have us live in a totalitarian state and repeat the referendum ad infinitum until they got the 'right' result it seems.