Well that’s it. We’re not leaving the EU. The people in charge won’t allow it.

Joelsnan - 'the mass influx of people has resulted in an infrastructure overload.'

Agreed - the lack of housing is a serious problem. Do we want unlimited EU immigration when there aren't enough homes for those already here? We have too many people!

I can understand why some people would feel the "wishes of the people" are being thwarted by those who can't accept the result of the referendum.

However, I think the point is that the whole process of leaving the EU, the making of new "deals", the Irish issue, etc, etc, were not properly addressed and, in some cases, not addressed at all. Additionally, it was presented as an inevitability that we would secure a good deal with the EU because it would be in both parties' interests and the EU were desperate to establish some sort of trade deal with us.

As the months and years go by, there is more and more evidence that leaving is not the simple process that people like Liam Fox said it would be. There are major concerns about all sorts of issues, including shortages of food and medicine, shortages of labour, the effects on research and development when we are outside of the EU umbrella, the reliance on the US for trade deals and an associated decline in health and safety standards for food, the problems arising with Ireland and Scotland, etc. None of these issues had been properly discussed prior to the referendum - I think both the leave and the remain campaigns were ill thought out and badly presented, relying on people's gut instincts rather than on facts.

As for those who think we are in a strong position as a country to make all these magnificent deals with all these other nations who are straining at the leash to trade with us, I'm wondering where they've been living for the last few years. The situation in this country re health, education, justice, employment, industrial output, housing, etc, etc, is absolutely dire, this government having run all of them into the ground. There is nothing to demonstrate that we have in place a team of competent people who can make good decisions for the country. Virtually every infrastructure project has been mismanaged in terms of cost and benefit and every tightening of the purse strings has caused a decline in many people's physical and mental health and all sorts of associated social problems that have had ongoing costly repercussions. Our government appears incapable of running this country effectively and to imagine that it has the ability to deal with momentous change effectively is very questionable.

Maybe TM's deal will be resurrected, who knows? Presumably that period of time was chosen for a reason.

Will a General Election substantially change very much at all? So far the EU has held the bargaining counters in this process and continues to keep to its own plan.

The motion proposed today requests an extension of only 3 months - not years

Ha ha and you believe that do you humptydumpty ? what on earth do they hope to achieve in 2-3 months that they couldn't in 3 years ?

I'm inclined to agree with you craftyone .

For the record I voted remain but stand by the democratic decision albeit with a heavy heart .

Fgs the tone of some posts on here defies belief.

1. The motion proposed today requests an extension of only 3 months - not years.

2. The motion is to stop a 'no deal' Brexit, not to stop Brexit.

3. The labour party is set to vote against BJ's motion for an election on Oct 14th because their top rpiority is to stop 'no deal'. That means, under the fixed-term parliament rules, that BJ won't be able to call that election.

4. Despite BJ's protestations that this will thwart his negotiations for a new deal, the EU say that he has not made any new proposals, i.e. is not actually negotiating.

5. A deal cannot be struck at the G7 meeting.

Boris is showing great leadership. The whinging undemocratic remoaners have ground this country down, just wait while momentum and commies get a foothold. Remoaners are fully to blame and will get their come uppance and P45s at the ballot box.

There is no "Labour Party" as I know it . All we have is a half wit weasel of a leader who's ar*e must be covered in splinters . His sole aim is to become PM by whatever means.

I can just imagine his gloating little egg soaked beardy smile standing on the steps of No. 10 and it gives me the creeps !

He cannot have and does not have an opinion of his own on Brexit or anything else for that matter. His opinion is whatever Len tells him it is !

I am a lifelong LP voter but could not bring myself to vote Labour while he is leader.

Apologies for going off on one....

Ellanvannin I totally agree with your post, especially the bit about BJ speeches making no sense, he was out of his depth yesterday and he just mumbled words and scratched his nits.

Deep down I firmly believe that he will not get his way and we might not even leave.

Firecracker, you talk b.......t, you just churn out insults and shout.

So remainers are happy to:
Submit tax remittences to the organisation to prop it up UK is a net contributor. Whilst UK received funding for regeneration of areas where industry had declined due to the opening of cheap labour opportunities in Eastern Europe, this funding is in continuous decline. Think about all of the kids in the 80s who had no apprenticeship or job to go to. This before the majority were directed to university or call centres.
Happy to ensured that businesses continue to make vast profits at the expense of the working class throughout Europe. It cannot be denied that large swathes of working class throughout Europe are very unhappy. Of course business will predict doom and gloom if their money making model is threatened.
Happy to ensure our non academic youth do not get the skills education they need because its cheaper to import an already skilled person from EU. Is this good for our grandchildren?
Happy to continue to moan about the rough sleepers and inability to get a drs appointment because the mass influx of people has resulted in an infrastructure overload.
If this makes you happy..okay.

Basically the people voted to leave. They did not vote to 'leave with a deal'.

Parliament and the city are mostly Remainers who won't accept the democratic vote and are determined to stop the process, in effect ignoring the will of the people. Hence Project Fear.

Implementing Brexit is democracy so Remainers are therefore traitors to democracy.

This is complicated by the fact that May's deal wasn't Brexit which is why it failed.

If we don't leave on 31st Oct then all hell will break loose and I'm sure the Brexit Party will get involved.

Think it’s time to move down under to get away from all these self serving clowns! ? this country is a joke!

You're so right Gillybob. I too voted Remain and am fuming inside that Outers hadn't done their homework and thought deeply about the impact it would have on us.

BJ is nothing but a megalomaniac whose so-called speeches make no sense whatsoever, along with his right-hand man DC, the biggest a**e in government.

BJ's lies are such an intrinsic part of him that no-one can believe anything he says.
I'd quote a few of them but simply don't have time to write such a lengthy post.
Why on earth would anyone believe that he wouldn't simply change the date set for a GE to one that suits his purpose?
Totally untrustworthy!
Even some of those who have accepted his no-mandate position as PM are now seriously questioning his integrity and his ability to control events.

One of the reasons we are in this mess (apart from Cameron being an idiot) is because of the way the referendum and its campaign were conducted. Had there been proper objective information and debate, and proper parameters for the turnout and margin, and clarity over whether the referendum result was advisory or binding, then the matter would be completely clear.

As it was we had a circus: misinformation, lies and publicity stunts from both "sides" and in the end a tiny margin - which is why the concept of the referendum being the will of the people is fatally flawed - hence the current mess.

'democracy' seems to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean at the moment (hands up who thinks that suspending Parliament to avoid scrutiny is 'democratic'?).
The Brexit issue was an internal one within the Conservative party. No one else was clamouring to leave.
TM.s deal was rejected because it was worse than the status quo for so many sectors of the economy. The Prime Minister has not put forward any basis for a new deal, or have I missed something. Mr R-M and supporters say that 'just' removing the backstop would not be enough. How 'democratic' is that?

I was surprised just how decent a deal May's government achieved. If it had not been for the Tory hard line right led by Johnson and Rees -.Hogg we would have left the EU in March and be in the process of negotiating our long term trading relationships as well as negotiating and ratifying treaties with other nations.

Now instead we are saddled with this dangerous populist hard right government lead by man who is known around the world as an unreliable, lazy liar. What other national government would be so stupid as to tie their nations future, even in part, by negotiating a trading treaty with us, other than one's who are also lead by an equally unreliable and lying leader.

I congratulate and thank all of the MPs that voted for parliament to control the order paper. I especially want to thank those conservative MPs for their courage and Mr Speaker for his valiant defense of parliament in the face of an executive determined to avoid parliamentary oversight.

Yes because he is running scared, Corbyn's a lying coward who knows the Labour party will be wiped out.

CORBYN'S A HYPROCRITE

Corbyn doesn’t want the elephant trap Cummings is trying to set. It’s all a pantomime.

Nigel Farage and The Brexit Party will stand with Boris and the Conservatives if they go for a no deal brexit.

So all you Remainers you might think you have won today but democracy will prevail and we will leave the EU.

This is the problem!!!

The Undemocratic traitor remainers might have won a battle but they haven't won the war.

Liar Corbyn who has been asking for a General election for months now doesn't want one, he's a coward he's shown his true colours he doesn't keep his word. He knows he will be wiped out in the North and the Midlands.

Brexit is not going away we will Leave the EU.

Ooh, the prospect of another extension ‘to talk and reject’.

Obviously 3 years wasn’t long enough ....

I can’t wait.
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A General Election in October could lead to numerous Brexit Party MPs being elected, there could be no overall majority.

This sorry "soap opera" will be dragged out for the duration of the next parliament, to the detriment of the UK!!