Well that’s it. We’re not leaving the EU. The people in charge won’t allow it.

SirChenin, just briefly going back to your question as to whether I think coming out of the EU will change the situation re supply of labour forcing down wages, I don’t know if leaving the EU will improve the situation for low paid workers, none of us know, but it seems very likely that we will simply source cheap labour from elsewhere rather than the EU. And so this brings us back to the EU’s support of big business, I would have hoped that this situation would have been addressed in some way by the EU, but it hasn’t.

I think things are getting muddled between us.

As far as I understand anything relating to international law so WTO, UN, EU etc etc does not require Royal assent.

Royal assent is only required for domestic law

joel ?

Even if that Parliament has already hald a democratic vote to over rule the incumbent Govt?

It doesnt just happen with EU law gg13

wwm2
No it isn’t to do with Bercow?it is to do with the fact that it relates to international ie EU law. Royal assent not needed.

I understood from Katya Adler last night that the EU will only deal with an elected government or its representatives.

WWMK2, if you are correct, it's another reason to leave the EU if their laws can supersede our parliamentary procedure.

No it isn’t to do with Bercow?it is to do with the fact that it relates to international ie EU law. Royal assent not needed.

The bill needs Royal assent, Bercow surely is in no position to go over the Queens head, however important he thinks he is!!!!

Not sure that is correct gg13. I think the speaker has already ruled on that.

Fingers crossed then ?

Ok folks......The Government can hold out on Royal assent until after prorogation next week, at which point all bills without Royal assent are scrapped.

It hasn’t been done before, but it is possible.

do you seriously think that an endless supply of cheap labour doesn’t force down wages?

Of course it does - but do you honestly think that coming out of the EU will alter that?

How I formed my opinion is none of your business Maizie, because I have stated my opinion which I am entitled to do. Sorry you don’t like it, but there it is, my opinion. I am certainly not going to quote some left or right leaning journalist’s column or some dodgy Twitter account as some sort of evidence as many do on here. I am perfectly capable of watching news items, reading news, and watching discussion programmes in order to inform my opinion. I also read and take note of the various opinions on Gransnet.
Just for the record, do you seriously think that an endless supply of cheap labour doesn’t force down wages? Seriously?

What does age have to do with this?

I can’t understand why anybody wants to give away our country and pay billions a year for the privilege and have no say in any decisions made!

I thank the Lord I’m not young!

I thought I made my opinion clear in my earlier post, but maybe I didn’t.

You made your opinion clear, maddy but not one shred of evidence as to how you formed it; just unsubstantiated statements.

Kandinsky : 'This isn’t about stoping a no deal brexit, it’s about stopping brexit altogether - stop being so naive. '

we were promised a Deal, a great Deal an easy Deal - it is now perfectly clear that such a Deal cannot, and never could, exist. Because it would put the UK in a 'superior' position to other EU countries, all the rights and advantages, with none of the costs, responsibilities and joined regulations.

So, the choice is NOW clear - we either go for No Deal, which was never on the cards, and for which the Johnson, ERG, Cummings, Trump and all behind it, have NO mandate for whatsoever.

Or we realise how much damage this will do - and we allow people to vote on the current reality, on facts.

I agree with your points maddy but unfortunately I don't think that coming out of the EU will change how workers are paid, nor do I think that subsidies to rich landowners will disappear - certainly not while an extremely right wing Govt is in place to look after its own.

I totally agree with SirChenin though, the rich, whoever they are, and however they made their money, will get richer. I don’t have an issue with business being successful, I have an issue with it being successful on the backs of low paid workers, of which there is an unlimited number with free movement. I also have an issue with farmers taking huge sums of EU money and then campaigning to stay in the EU without first declaring their interest.

Maizie, I am absolutely sure that neither the EU nor British parliamentarians are remotely concerned with ordinary people. I thought I made my opinion clear in my earlier post, but maybe I didn’t.

No SirChenin, on that we can agree. The rich get richer.........

And, maddyone, the rich leading the call for no deal Brexit intend to get richer on the ensuing chaos.

I don't know where you get the extraordinary idea from that they are in any way interested in the situation of 'ordinary people'.

Maddy He might want to leave the EU but that doesn't mean he intends to do away with the subsidy - it will just be paid to farmers/landowners/landowning companies posing as farms in some other way, making the rich richer as you say.

Listen, your hopeless politicians have boxed themselves and the EU into a hopeless position.

How could saying you would leave the EU come hell or high water, deal or no deal influence the EU? If they gave in and let Britain have another deal no-one in or out of the EU would ever trust them again.

Everyone, whether they voted for or against Brexit, is understandably annoyed at the way things have gone. The EU is focussing on trying to deal with having customs duties on goods going in and out of the UK once Brexit actually happens.

Most people in the EU would rather you stayed, but if you don't want to, then please, do get out soon, so we can all get on with things.

The Cummings family does www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/dominic-cummings-owns-farm-got-eu-subsidy

I was sure I'd read somewhere that the Johnson family did too - my mistake