Rees Mogg lying down.

not in the section named Politics!!! ( sorry couldn't resist)

I thought Gransnet was meant to be an escape from the daily grind of politics??

An anology I saw earlier "if you are in business and 20 of your employees sided with a competitor you would have grounds for sacking them"

Good analogy GrannyGravy

Come the next GE I think people will be very wary of electing an MP who doesn't represent their views regarding the EU.

Possibly worth remembering that many people are neither rabid Leavers/Marxists/I worked hard and Corbyn isn't getting it types..... hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people going about their business doing their best.

winterwhite perhaps you could explain what you consider is democracy

If you have the opportunity to receive Netflix I would recommend watching a British film called Riot Club. It is the horrendous tale of ten young Oxford undergraduates and their absolute disregard for people of a lower social standing. I think it is based on the real life Bullingdon Club of which our latest prime minister was a member. It speaks volumes about the behaviour displayed in parliament. Just a shame it isn’t available on mainstream television.

A phoney MP, imo, is one who acts purely in self interest, and there are plenty of those on government at the moment, including the PM...

I don’t think we have a Conservative party any more. Only a UKIP/Brexit Party, expelling and threatening members who disagree with the leader of the moment more vigorously than Momentum. Not a pretty sight.

Where is it said that democracy means first-past-the-post? Many people keep trumpeting this as tho they were the same thing.

"I was referring to the Conservative MP's who have been booted out of their party*

I fully understood what you were referring to Labaik

I seem to recall many staunch Labour party supporters on here who were incensed when Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Gapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffey walked away from the Labour Party recently.

They have switched allegiance and we had posts galore saying they should not be in Parliament on a Labour ticket.

The same applies to Conservatives who betray their party and leader. If they don't back the policy and in this case, the Government too, they are phoney MPs, selfishly putting individual wants before the manifesto on which they were elected.

Go and see threads about the Labour defectors.

There is nothing honourable in switching sides, There is honour in resigning.

Anniel I am also a lifelong Conservative, could not vote for Labour/Lib Dems under any circumstances.

I have an extremely conscientious and diligent constituency MP.

An anology I saw earlier "if you are in business and 20 of your employees sided with a competitor you would have grounds for sacking them"

They knew what they were doing and therefore must accept the consequences of their actions.

Anniel, admitting that you are a life long supporter of the Conservative Party is a reckless statement on here!!!! You will not only be asked to justify your 'outrageous 'political record, but on attempting to do so will have it torn to pieces, ridiculed, and trashed! There are people who support your point of view, but these days most keep their heads very firmly down!! Take care!??

'and admiration for those MP's who put country before party' Day6...I was referring to the Conservative MP's who have been booted out of their party. Did you actually read my post? And how do you feel about the way they have been treated?

You lot really hate so well. I had no idea so many old women were so left wing

Anniel - yes, some can be savage, but if you post on these forums you get used to the fact that more left wingers post than those who are moderate - ie: left of centre, centre or centre right.

More Remainers post than Leavers. It's a bit of a battle to try and redress the balance sometimes, but you'll see other posters here (not many of us unfortunately) who are more in line with your way of thinking.

and admiration for those MP's who put country before party

You mean the Remainer MPs, EU lovers who cannot contemplate the idea of democracy, and vote against the wishes of the majority of the population?

Those MPs?

They are following their own interests and want us tied to a capitalist EU which does not work well for the less well off. Ask the unemployed in EU member states, ask the young who are paid peanuts, ask the nomadic workers who will work anywhere for a paltry wage, and then look to the likes of Blair and Branson who need us to stay in the EU so they become even more wealthy.

Those MPs who betrayed the voter and their party manifesto will, with a bit of luck, lose their seats at the next GE.

Completely agree maddyone with both posts.

Indeed Day6, champagne socialists are particularly objectionable in my opinion.

Totally agree Day6.

Those of us who worked extremely hard to get to a reasonably comfortable older age will be the very ones targeted by a Corbyn government. When we married we had a house full of second hand stuff, and when our first baby came along, likewise. We did without so we could pay a mortgage and buy our own house. Like many others I worked from when my youngest child started school, simply to give my children a better start than I had. Many others worked even harder, simply to put food on the table.

Corbyn doesn’t work hard at a ‘proper’ job. He is a professional politician, and always has been. He has voted against his own government on many occasions, and is a serial ‘protester.’ Now he sniffs the chance of power, but my vote won’t help get him there.

At least the Conservative government gave tax breaks to the lowest paid, including pensioners. I pay less tax on my occupational pension now, and when I eventually get my state pension more of it will stay in my bank thanks to the Conservatives who tax us less.

Never thought I'd find a Conservative government more charitable than a Labour one, which stopped my Incapacity benefit when I was at my lowest and unable to earn. A Labour government insisted I could go to work, something which my hospital consultants and GP strongly refuted.

The boundaries have changed. We were a working class family which always voted Labour. Not any longer. The Labour Party of today, supported by middle classes, academics and anarchists (all moneyed and able to afford Glastonbury, for example..) does not represent me and those like me any longer.

JRM's investment company in Ireland would be very appealing if ever Corbyn/Labour were elected ???

I too am not wealthy but also not poor and I’m a home owner with children and a garden. So, like you I am very very scared of a Corbyn government

Me too Tigertooth and I imagine lots of GN members are in the same boat. We get by, and that's the best that can be said. We are where we are because of enormous effort and struggle as we worked hard, without modern perks, raised families and went without.

Still having to budget is the name of the game for all those who have had aspirations and done their all to get on in life.

I imagine the majority of people in the country could be described in the same way. Life isn't easy or carefree, still.

Unfortunately, we are the group Corbyn and Co will use to fund their extravagant spending.

We won't benefit, we will fork out, have even less and be left with a country in dire straits when he is finally kicked out. Corbynism encourages helplessness whilst condemning wealth.

If you struggle to make ends meet, and get by on your own hard work, be careful not to vote for his Marxist party.

I think that Caroline Lucas is really coming into her own with all this - she's showing that she's intelligent, rational, thoughtful - and not afraid to call out those she thinks are misbehaving. Well done to her!

gillybob - howling at those pictures. Think the caravan one is my favourite!

There are some very creative people out there. Watched the twitter. (or was it Facebook?) one of him taking off like a rocket and moving through lots of funny scenarios in his prone position.

He was probably fed up to the back teeth, like most of us, at a Remainer parliament determined to stop Brexit. There is no end to the in-fighting in Parliament.

I have decided Brexit wranglings really have to be ignored. What will be will be, but I do so look forward to the next General Election. Lots of traitorous MPs will be waving bye-bye to their £90,000 pa salaries. I doubt if JR Mogg will be one of them.

Annie, I too regard myself as slightly right of center. I trained to teach in the 70s, married another teacher who found himself a job in a minor independent school, whilst I worked at an inner city primary. We did not come from privileged backgrounds either, but we were determined to give our children better life chances than we had, and so we sent our children to my husband’s minor independent school from age eleven. They are all professional now, and we own our own house. We are not rich, but we are comfortable. We have never inherited anything, but I want our children to inherit our house assuming it’s not used up in care fees later on.
Annie’s, there are certainly a lot of extremely left wing posters on Gransnet, but as you say, if all the rest of the older population thinks in the same way, then Corbyn will romp home should there be an election. I hope to God Corbyn is never our Prime Minister, he will leave the country in a worse state than Blair/Brown did, but it won’t worry him as he is a millionaire.