How right we were

less we know that Johnson has a reputation for laziness and never preparing or reading his brief.

The point is he tries to wing it which is fine when you are in a position that doesn’t matter much, but he is our Prime Minister for gods sake!

I loathed Thatcher, but I would never have been able to say the same about her, and it showed.

The Tory party must be wondering what ever they have done. What a disaster.

But they can’t say that they were never warned

I just watched a You Tube clip from today's airing of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. The description of the video was, "The sight of conservative British lawmakers standing up to PM Boris Johnson gives Stephen Colbert hope that Republican lawmakers in the U.S. may one day summon the courage to stand up to their party's leader." The monologue, of course was all about Philip Lee's "defection" during BJ's speech. Colbert said, "These lawmakers bucking their own party to stand up to an unnaturally blond man with terrible ideas gives me hope."

And followed up with "Great Britain is always ahead of us on stuff like this! They elected a woman head of state in 1979 and we didn't do that until possibly someday."

Props to you ladies.

Cheers gmarie

You will be cheered to know that it is like rats leaving a sinking ship here at the moment. I am not quite sure now how many have announced that they are leaving or have left.

But unfortunately what I fear is actually happening is that the traditional tory moderates are jumping ship and will be replaced with hard right wingers.

gmarie; I used to follow a facebook page called 'my sad cat' and this was from a time when the idea of Trump being president of America was just a joke. I felt pretty much the same way, on the night that Trump was elected as I did when the UK voted to leave the EU. There are so many parallels with the same tactics being used to gain those results. It's heartbreaking to see what's happening to our once great countries.

We met an American couple last year who told us that Trump has divided friends and families [as has Brexit here]. They were in despair at what was happening...

I believe that It has been the failure of centre governments throughout the world that brought forward the emergence of hard-left and hard-right politics. In Britain what was supposed to be a "socialist government" at the time of the millennium seen the emergence of zero-hours contracts, the Gig Economy, the housing crisis and much else that has had a negative impact on so many.

The above negated for many people the benefits of the minimum wage that the Blair government trumpeted as it's great achievement. To add to the foregoing there has been a constant rise in the power of multinational companies that have the power to play one country against others in attempts to gain their manufacturing etc.

For many average families, it has seemed in recent years that they have no powers to change anything as centre-left and centre-right governments have been seen to support the status quo even through such times as the Banking Crisis for which the average person was in the end expected to pay for.

I feel that the Referendum result was in many ways the electorate "kicking back" at the establishment especially in the Labour Party heartlands of the north of England.

In many respects, we now reap what has been sown over many years by centre governments both of the left and right. Hence the rise of Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings in Britain, Trump in America along with other extremes of government in various States throughout the world.

Boris did start out hoping that, with ‘oomph’ he’d get Brexit past this Parliament. But it’s now pretty clear that we can expect no Brexit resolution from this particular group of MPs.

They won’t endorse a deal, nor will they tolerate no deal. They can’t bring themselves to depose the Prime Minister, but won’t let him govern properly either.

They can’t quite decide if they should let him have a general election, but this chaos means one will come soon. So Team Boris has started campaigning for an election: everything now depends on it. It’s the only choice he has left.

#goBoris

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/sep/05/boris-johnson-rambles-through-attempt-recite-police-caution-video

This is so embarrassing. Why doesn't he write a speech or have notes?

I have a theory that there will be a GE and it will be very much split between Labour/Lib Dem and Greens they will all pull together only on the understanding that JC does not take charge and we will have a second referendum, we will all vote to stay in the EU after all and this last three years will go down in history and be question 6 on some exam in 15 years time.

I can hope!!

I agree Urmstongran that is exactly the situation.
It’s stalemate, but that cannot go on, and there will be an election next month.

Johnson could have a speechwriter (of course) but obviously prefers to speak off the cuff however it turns out.?

But this time lemongrove Carrie must have washed that shirt and the prompts on the cuff had disappeared down the plughole!

Every time I hear a leave supporter make a statement a out what is going to happen, as in "There will be an election next month" I remember all the other predictions they got wrong.

I'm sorry, I know some people regard Boris as some sort of saviour but I found the speech I have pasted an absolute embarrassment. Take a look at it, listen to the nervous laughter,

Where is this famed intelligence?

I have not been blessed with huge intellect. Every single thing I have achieved has been through hours and hours of study, time spent on task, preparation and a huge sense of obligation.

Where is his?

Ah, but that's why you don't "get it", Lessimore. Johnson was born to rule as a consequence of his superior breeding and intelligence. He doesn't have to work at it, because he's naturally brilliant. To whom should he be obliged? It would appear Eton and Oxford forgot the lesson about "noblesse oblige". Hard work is for the plebs.

To avoid misunderstanding, the above post is ironic.

I do wonder how Boris will cope with being so friendless. I don't think he is robust mentally and, as a human being, I feel concern. Yes, he has brought it on himself and he is reckless with our well-being as well as his own, but he could find this hard to survive. The dog may help - they do. I know posts can have meanings read into that aren't there but I write that as simple concern for a human being albeit an unlikable one but I wish he was not even an MP let alone PM for his sake as well as ours.

I am a constitutional leaver and a trade, security, etc., remainer who voted remain. I imagine there are people just like me who voted leave. I cannot see how either remain or no-deal leave will be the final answer. The EU is changing, the world is changing, I just don't believe that any of this will be the end. I would not want a Conservative government in any case and a government of Labour, Greens and Liberals will still need to sort out our relationship with the EU.

I just can't see any way forward, to be honest.

Johnson used to turn up at functions to make a speech, pretend he'd lost his notes and would then proceed to give a very funny ad lib speech. The only problem with that is that sometimes the same people would turn up at both venues and start to realise that his off the cuff funny speeches were, in fact, well rehearsed. There's an article about it somewhere which I'll try to find. Might work as an after dinner speaker but not good for the PM of this country. As for his reciting of poems/speaking in latin etc it's time he stopped that, too.

Oh dear, it's desperate really. I agree about his mental state.

I'm sure that the Times journalist qouted by Nonnie was correct that Johnson had been plotting throughout August. But he (and Cummings) aren't as clever as they thought because they've been foiled at every turn. Hoist by his own petard I think.

I used to think that TM must have had a plan but I was wrong. Now I think DC has a plan based on his success in 2016. I think that he got away with so many lies and cheating that he thinks he can do it again. I hope he is wrong and that people see through him this time but when I see some of the people interviewed on TV and what they write on Twitter I am not so sure. I never thought I had a better mind than most people but am beginning to think I might when I see how little some understand.

Johnson is well equipped for somethings, however his bumbling ways and the total absence of common sense does not equip him to be another emperor Augustus, as he apparently sees himself as. The consequences of his lack of appropriate characteristics leaves our nation in turmoil while he stomps around the nation making himself an us look like fools

Johnson is well equipped for somethings

like what? please?

JC is INFINITELY preferable to ANY of that bunch of liars, cheats, greedy arrogant, self inflated, very very over entitled bunch of tw*ts that pretend to care about the UK.

The last 3 Tory PMs have sold the UK down the river. The current one, BJ the buffoon, just shows the Tories up for who they are. As for his lounging, streak of urine friend, who treats the HOC as his own bedroom, I couldn't despise anyone more.

The class system in the UK makes me want to vomit, frankly. Snobs and would be snobs (who Johnson and RM wouldn't touch with a bargepole, were they to meet them in real life) who can't recognise an honest politician, JUST because he doesn't meet their gilded cage idea of what a politician looks like.

My personal opinion is that Corbyn is a wally, so Johnson has performed a minor miracle in making him seem statesmanlike and relatively honest.