The yellowhammer documents

How did we manage during the war varian? Not much fresh fruit about then, and the veg was home grown.

During the war, Gonegirl the population was 20million souls smaller than our current population. Even then, we were not self sufficient in food. As has been pointed out time and time again on this forum.

Nor were we accustomed to eating fresh fruit and vegetables out of season. And anything that we couldn't grow ourselves was in very short supply or unobtainable. And food was rationed.

I'm really tired of hearing how we coped during The War. We are not at war

We were one of the richest economies in the world and it's all potentially to be trashed because David Cameron had a wizard wheeze for silencing his Eurosceptics.

Do you really think I've read the whole bl---- forum MaisieD?

I too am worried that my winter blueberries will be rotten before I get them.

Don't bite my head off!!!

It comes to something when people in this country are being made to feel that even the medical profession don't know what they're talking about. I would suggest that anyone who doesn't believe what Dr Nicholl says should, next time they feel unwell, go and discuss their problem with eg the man behind the counter at the newsagents.

Please don’t forget that millions died during the war including some of my relatives. Don’t insult them by saying “we all survived”.

If it were spring we could get vitamin C from young green nettle leaves. I think British farmers have come to the end of this year's greens and fruit.

Overall I agree with Jura it's meds and fuel and so forth that are going to be scarce.

Who would make such a stupid remark? (We all survived)

In WW2!

I too am sick and tired of the wartime comparisons and language. We are not at war, we are being forced into a social and economic disaster. My heart sank to see that old chestnut 'we survived the millenium bug' yet again, I really did think we had put that to bed for once and for all. But, for anyone who didn't quite grasp the difference; pre Dec 1999, the country, calmly and sensibly listened to EXPERTS, took their advice, planned on the basis of said advice, and all was well. Compare this to the JRM rude dismissal of a medical expert.

We grow enough carrots and onions to feed ourselves. Enough homegrown apples are kept in storage to almost last us over the winter. Potato's we grow ourselves. Birds Eye take care of the peas.

How many vits do you want?

We have become slightly spoilt.

Sorry for rogue apostrophe

so are you saying gonegirl that this debacle will all be worth while if we all just eat home grown carrots and stop eating strawberries on Christmas Day? Hmm. For what it is worth, I do try my best to eat vegetables in season, fruit as I see fit, but I would like to think that is my decision and shouldn't be foisted upon me by people who, it would appear, had little idea what they were voting for. I impressed myself when I didn't make a sarcastic comment to a fellow committee member, an ardent, wealthy Brexiteer, who was boasting about having stocked up on her medication in case of shortages. This just about sums it up for me. I feel as if I am in the middle of some nightmare where all the standards of behaviour are turned upside down, where greedy people are alright Jack and then tell the rest of us to eat carrots all winter.

as for fruit and veg- timing is not great - what is going to grow if we plant now? And that might be ok for people int he countryside, but the vast majority live in towns and have NO access to anywhere to grow anything.

My grand-daughter has a condition which means she has to eat lots of green vegetables, to keep her red blood cells up. They have a large gardenw where they could easily grow stuff next year- but it ain't going to happen in October!

But as said, food will probably be a real problem, but a comparatively 'minor' worry compared to so many things as mentionned above. The War? Well, agreed, we did not use isotopes for cancer diagnosis or treatment, for sure. Nor many other medicines or antibiotics, etc, etc- and people, including 1000s of children, died of common diseases. That's OK, then.

Bit late now for anyone to start growing their own veg for this winter, even if they have the garden/time/energy/health to do it!

Sorry Jura, crossed posts there - I see that your first paragraph says much the same as my post.

Gonegirl are you sure we grow enough carrots, onions, spuds and apples to feed the whole 67 million of us? I really doubt it. Even if we could in future years, I don't believe we are set up for it right now, which is when we need it. I really don't think it's being spoiled to want more variety than we can grow in our own country. I tend not to buy imported out of season produce that we can grow ourselves, thinking our own in season crops taste better, but that's me. I'd miss citrus fruit and avocados though!

Oh well. Carrots aren't going go off for being held up a couple of days.

Of course I'm not saying it will be worth it! I just don't believe what those doctors are saying, that's all.

I work beside Doctors - they're not lying, I can assure you.

You've got to be sensible about it. It's going to happen. Unfortunate, but there it is. Scaremongering won't help.

But it's not scaremongering - it's a reality.

It sounds like you're starting to get a bit scared of what that reality might actually look like - but it's easier to talk about growing carrots than to face that.

why shuld we let it happen - I certainly won't give up, lie there and think of England ... why this defeatist and negative attitude. Yes, we can stop it.

Since some of you like to compare to the war (which is ridiculous, but ...) do you think Churchill and the best of British would have said 'it's going to happen. Unfortunate, but there it is - scaremongering won't help'? Really?

Sean O’Grady (who voted LEAVE in 2016) writes in the "i"-

"Brexit ‘bumps in the road’ turn out to be terrifying journey to nowhere

Ah. So that’s what Michael Gove meant by “bumps in the road” after a no-deal Brexit. Food prices up. Electricity up. Lorries stuck in the channel ports for days on end. Riots. A “low” threat to running water. Immigration checks at Calais or Paris or European airports. Gibraltar blockaded virtually. Low-income groups – that’s the poor – hit hardest. Cod wars. Social care collapsing. Shortages of medicines. And the return of the black market! The 21st-century spiv may be the abiding legacy of this short, tragic Johnson government.

It’s difficult to know what to make of all this. The most offensive part, for me, is the blatant deception. It doesn’t feel right to have been lied to

by our leaders. “Bumps in the road” sounded like a kind of tranquilliser for the anxious punters: a charming, cosy euphemism, as if we were all going on a jolly excursion to the countryside. (The irony being, of course, that all those truckers and holidaymakers won’t be going on any roads, bumpy or otherwise, once they meet French customs.)

Calling this a “reasonable worst case” is a pathetic attempt to sugarcoat it.

It is a contradiction in terms. Sometimes panic is a rational response. It is wrong to dress it up. It can be sugarcoated no longer. It will be awful; Brexit (which I voted for) is not worth it. Much of this chaos will go on for years, if not decades.

The Government can only do so much to mitigate matters. It will not do the extra admin for businesses; it will not forever subsidise the extra costs. The Department for Business probably will not take over car production from Honda, and Defra probably will not be getting itself into hill farming. Boris Johnson will not stand in the queue at the Post Office for you so you can obtain your international driving permit.

As for the censored prorogation papers, they really must be dynamite.

It will need a court order to drag them out of Government – and I believe they would expose lies directed at everyone from the Queen to Larry (inset), the Downing Street cat (“no plans for a car-hating dog to join the team – a worst case scenario”).

No wonder Boris Johnson’s gang didn’t want Parliament around. Who’d want to be accountable for this mess?"

Has anyone seen Larry recently, by the way...?