The yellowhammer documents

Top that then.

I didn't live in a cardboard box, but our house was partly demolished.

Oh yes! the ration books. I remember them well. Funnily enough it wasn't coupons we were ever short of. Just money.

It might not be that funny if the madness is not stopped trisher

Gonegirl I remember when you couldn't buy sweeties without a ration book!!! (And we lived in a cardboard box and every night etc etc. It's getting terribly like a comedy show on here )

(And, of course, I remember far worse shortages,especially for the poor people like us)

I can remember so well the day there were no sweeties in our local shop, except a few stick licourise allsorts. I remember duly handing over my threepenny bit and buying them. And being sent back to the shop to get my money back.

Did you actually live through that war?!! or is your information just heresay?!

Some of it! And the years thereafter which weren't much better. Not all of us are spring chickens on here you know.

I think the original link to WW2 was purely the concept of its relation to WW2 food shortages and rationing. It resulted in a generation - my Mum's generation - that were considerably healthier than today's population because of restrictions of sugar and fat. Temporary shortages of some food items aren't likely to have much of an impact in the long term. We have become much too used to having exactly what we want when we want it. Want rather than need.

Gove - earlier this year.

“Nobody voted for no deal”

Why people keep comparing this to WW2 is beyond me!

Because it's your bl**dy lot, Jabberwok who keep on saying that we survived WW2.

It's utterly ludicrous. The country being dragged willynilly into a situation that even most of your lot didn't vote for.

That is where the stock piling if body bags comes from

Black Swan information beginning to trickle out

Dr Liz Evenden-Kenyon ?
@EvendenKenyon

#BlackSwan: apparently (in its redacted #Yellowhammer version) there is mention of:
1. Martial law
2. Significant fuel shortages
3. Unnecessary deaths re drugs & social care.
After consideration, I will hand over our findings to mainstream media contact soon. #LibDemLiz

Why people keep comparing this to WW2 is beyond me! Did you actually live through that war?!! or is your information just heresay?! I really don't think we are being faced with being bombed out of our homes, children being evacuated, submarines attacking and sinking vital supplies, sending the RAF up to defend against enemy bombers, young men and women being killed in their thousands, not to mention the maimed, both mentally and physically, spending night after night in a shelter often the underground, need I go on?! To compare now with then is just absurd!

Oh dear, this thread has gone from bad to worse:
No fresh fruit!
No fresh veg!
We could get Vit C from nettles!
Too late to plant veg now.....etc etc.???

I do hope that the 17.4 million who voted to leave realise that they voted for leaving without a deal. After all, there were no choices given on the ballot paper (other than stay or go). Ipso facto - no deal (and the resulting chaos)

jura - the comparison with wartime comes from the fact that we 'Stood Alone' for the first few years. Before America helped us. Food supplies cut off by sea by the Nazis.
Even then we had a wonderful govt. which created many plans to compensate for the shortages.
Whether this kind of plan would be enough now is doubtful .
We've become too materialistic.

One would indeed expect the effects to be mitigated. Unfortunately, I really don't have much faith that they are. Senior civil servants, politicians and business people are claiming not much has been done. The European Commission has been giving monthly updates, whereas the UK government seems reluctant to tell the public and stakeholders anything.

The public was told on more than one occasion that it would all be seamless.

I honestly think that this government can't be trusted with very much at all.

Elegran, I'm sure we're all well aware that many, including your DH worked to make sure that year 2000 came in with few hitches. I'm equally sure that much is being done to mitigate the challenges ahead, deal or no deal. The country voted to leave: a bit disingenuous to imagine that could happen without any initial disruption to supplies and services.

If you're saying I compared Brexit to the war Jura your comprehension skills are not great.

You've got to be sensible about it. It's going to happen. Unfortunate, but there it is.

I don't want it to happen. I never wanted it to happen. I didn't vote to be pitchforked into this God Almighty mess.

And I don't feel at all charitable towards those who casually put their cross against 'Leave the EU' and who cannot tell me of any real benefit we will get from leaving.

Johnson will have to be careful now the Domestic violence bill hasn't been curtailed...

Or Carry (sp?) ???

Has anyone seen Larry recently, by the way...?

Sean O’Grady (who voted LEAVE in 2016) writes in the "i"-

"Brexit ‘bumps in the road’ turn out to be terrifying journey to nowhere

Ah. So that’s what Michael Gove meant by “bumps in the road” after a no-deal Brexit. Food prices up. Electricity up. Lorries stuck in the channel ports for days on end. Riots. A “low” threat to running water. Immigration checks at Calais or Paris or European airports. Gibraltar blockaded virtually. Low-income groups – that’s the poor – hit hardest. Cod wars. Social care collapsing. Shortages of medicines. And the return of the black market! The 21st-century spiv may be the abiding legacy of this short, tragic Johnson government.

It’s difficult to know what to make of all this. The most offensive part, for me, is the blatant deception. It doesn’t feel right to have been lied to

by our leaders. “Bumps in the road” sounded like a kind of tranquilliser for the anxious punters: a charming, cosy euphemism, as if we were all going on a jolly excursion to the countryside. (The irony being, of course, that all those truckers and holidaymakers won’t be going on any roads, bumpy or otherwise, once they meet French customs.)

Calling this a “reasonable worst case” is a pathetic attempt to sugarcoat it.

It is a contradiction in terms. Sometimes panic is a rational response. It is wrong to dress it up. It can be sugarcoated no longer. It will be awful; Brexit (which I voted for) is not worth it. Much of this chaos will go on for years, if not decades.

The Government can only do so much to mitigate matters. It will not do the extra admin for businesses; it will not forever subsidise the extra costs. The Department for Business probably will not take over car production from Honda, and Defra probably will not be getting itself into hill farming. Boris Johnson will not stand in the queue at the Post Office for you so you can obtain your international driving permit.

As for the censored prorogation papers, they really must be dynamite.

It will need a court order to drag them out of Government – and I believe they would expose lies directed at everyone from the Queen to Larry (inset), the Downing Street cat (“no plans for a car-hating dog to join the team – a worst case scenario”).

No wonder Boris Johnson’s gang didn’t want Parliament around. Who’d want to be accountable for this mess?"