The yellowhammer documents

Gonegirl I suppose when you were in danger of having a bomb dropped on you the prospect of dying from a heart attack or stroke wasn't seen as a priority. I do hope that we are not comparing Brexit with WW2.

How did we manage during the war varian? Not much fresh fruit about then, and the veg was home grown.

#scaremongering

Doctors predict that brexit could lead to thousands of extra deaths because of high prices and scarcity of fresh fruit and vegetables.

www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/brexit-could-lead-to-thousands-of-extra-heart-disease-and-stroke-deaths/

lemon; no, we are not at war. It's the leavers that have constantly used that analogy; Johnson being the worst offender imo.

Lazigirl; JRM apologised but not, I believe in the house. He was requested to do so by several MP's on the last day of parliament but, as far as I know he declined to do so. He called the Dr [amongst other things] a 'moaning fearmonger'. From what I've read Dr Nicholls has campaigned against the death penalty in America and, at the time campaigned for the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, so he's obviously a 'wrong'un' in Moggs eyes [but a pretty decent guy in mine].

I think people are concentrating too much on food. I appreciate not everybody is the same, but I have enough food in my cupboards and freezer to last me at least a month.

The temptation is to think that we won't starve, so everything will be OK - except it won't. Diabetes UK is claiming that we have a stockpile of insulin to last a month, but what happens then if the systems haven't been sorted? There are other medicines and isotopes too.

Even if nobody dies and we do eventually "pull through", the question remains "What's it all been for?" When do the sunny uplands filled with milk and honey appear? What are the tangible benefits of Brexit?

Honestly Maizie, although what you say is totally correct- I am not too worried about food, compared to other things like isotopes, medicines, energy supplies and petrol/diesel.

Food is something we can sort of adapt to- eat much simpler, much less choice, more local, sort of. Mind you, with winter coming, not much time to dig out flower beds and lawns to grow more food- but at least meat should be cheap for a while, as millions will have to be slaughtered as no feed for them, and no market to sell them. But of course, it will be the poorest who will suffer most- as for everything to do with Brexit, jobs and all.

^ the only problems with food will come from panic buying.^

It all just washes over you, doesn't it, lemon?

Delays at Dover. Up to 85% of lorries might not be ready. Flow rate could reduce to 40-60% as lorries fill ports and block flow. Lorries could face delays up to 2.5 days. Worst disruption could last up to 3 months. Queues in Kent (but low risk of significant sustained queues)

How does a large proportion of our fresh food get into the UK? Particularly in the last 3 months of the year when UK supplies are scarce?

GrannyLaine Yes, I remember the preparations for the dawning of the year 2000, because my husband was one of those who were making sure that nothing happened. I have posted elswhere about this, so I won't go into details here, but without that attention to detail a great deal could have happened.

You were not inconvenienced, because of the work that was done behind the scenes.

I have strong political views but rarely post on these threads because if people's minds are made up, to hear information that doesn't accord with their view merely serves only to strengthen their belief. Experts with evidence based information have long ago been renounced in the "bar room" of public opinion.......and indeed in the Commons by some of our esteemed MPs. Didn't JRM have to issue an apology recently to a consultant neurologist?

Exactly.....we are not at war, so no need for any panic, the only problems with food will come from panic buying.
Planning for a no deal( which is unlikely now anyway) has been ongoing for a while, and since the work is done by the civil service, why is it so hard to believe that it is being done?
A no deal could happen as it’s the default position but unlikely ,despite some posters being determined that
Armageddon will occur and that no deal is inevitable now.

Even if it really is the worst case scenario, there is no indication of what is being done to mitigate the damage. There is also no detail about Ireland nor Gibraltar. The government has refused point blank to give details about problems with food distribution.

We are not at war. The government has no need to hide official details. A number of people have pointed out that this is only a summary version of the full document.

I remember Y2K (as it was known) very well, our NHS board spent months planning for the worst case scenario - there was openess and transparency, and organisations didn't have to fight the politicians for information. Yellowhammer is not, however, the worst case scenario - that belongs to another (as yet unpublished) document.

The document which was sent to the Scottish government described it as the base scenario. That's how it was described when it was leaked in August too. It was changed when publication was forced.

Does no one remember all the preparation for potential armageddon at the end of 1999 when no one seemed to know how computerised systems would perform as year 2000 arrived? Nothing happened. It's my understanding that Yellowhammer is outlining worst case scenario.

I'm seeing 2 posters who have suggested that - have there been more?

Of course there wouldn't be any way of finding out who voted to leave and it wouldn't be possible to enforce it, but I'm willing to bet that the people who voted for it wouldn't volunteer to put themselves at the back of the queue on the basis of their principles.

Several posters are suggesting that leavers be put at the back of the queue for medicine etc if there are shortages due to Brexit but how would they enforce that? How would you know who had voted to leave? And could they prove they hadn’t voted for Brexit if it came to that?

I actually have no idea how most of my friends and family voted - I wouldn’t be so rude as to ask although a few have volunteered the info.

Article in the Telegraph proposing another referendum on the issue is the way to get us out of this chaos and another reporting that Boris’ allies have urged him to seek an extension. Is the tide starting to turn, I wonder?

We should have another vote with no deal being one of the options.
People who vote for that should be prepared to be at the back of any queue for food, medicines, treatment. Since they know what they are voting for.

labaik bit of intelligent thought there, from a civil servant. Certainly not from the Tories.

Oh dear, honestly, how long have we been talking about this? And it is clear that unbelievably some brexiters have still not understood the rules.

No -deal is the default it always will be. It will never go away.

All that parliament has done is to rule that such a disastrous policy will not be the policy of choice by this tin pot government.

(You know when the brexiters objected to us calling them thick, Hmmm)

From an unknown source;
'I wonder who, cleverly, named the 'Yellowhammer Report'. It's about rationing, and what we'll all be eating. As wiki says: The song of the cock yellowhammer is a series of short notes, gradually increasing in volume and followed by one or two more protracted notes. It is often represented as "A little bit of bread and no cheese"

I'm beginning to suspect that some people come on these threads just to cause trouble and stir things up which is why they don't actually have anything constructive to say. So the best thing to do is ignore them.

Chill out SirC