The yellowhammer documents

So bloody childish!!!

Sorry flouncing not funding

I think Lemongrove that you just demonstrated funding, if not with an exit

Leaver bingo - score one

growstuff....to put you right: I do not ‘often’ say that I am not participating further in a thread, I said it once a couple of months ago, and said I would return when something was happening ( politics wise) and stuck to that, until recently when plenty of things were happening.I have not said it here in this thread today either, but was talking to GG13.
I don’t ‘flounce’ ever btw. So your comment about leaving and ‘always coming back’ is simply made up.
I am keeping an eye on the thread, monitoring the rising hysteria.

Government has a duty to the 66m citizens of this country, not just the 17.4m who voted leave. To pursue a policy that endangers the livelihood and security of it’s citizens is something no responsible gov’t should do. The whole issue of leaving has been distorted by the real dangers of a No deal, which even the Gov can only look into a crystal ball and surmise about. It’s getting crazy, sheer political dogma is overtaking sanity.

Ironic really, because the Chinese are trying to improve the quality of their products. Wages are increasing, so they need to be able to sell at higher prices.

I actually don't think Johnson has a clue what the world outside his bubble is like. I've never seen any evidence that he has a good grasp on any of the issues facing a modern state. He's an entertainer and a BSer - and even that is wearing a bit thin. I think he's too remote even to be called a right-winger and I doubt if he even has an ideology.

I understand that Johnson and the right wing are intent are sweeping away as many regulations as is possible post Brexit.

That won’t bode well for quality and dependability will it?

Labaik My question is who wants to buy our stuff anyway? We already export to both EU and non-EU countries, so what else do we have? Our biggest export is services.

How are any future trade agreements going to benefit the UK? I really would like a sensible discussion on this. As far as I can see, there might possibly be some advantages, but nowhere near enough to compensate for the loss of our biggest trading partner, the EU. We run the risk of being victims of US, Chinese (and Indian) vultures.

Thank you SirChenjin. However, that's not really my style.

Also, I would assume, when other countries trade with us they know that the standard of the goods we sell to them is up to EU requirements. Something that, rumour has it, is something that will drop when we Brexit.

Do we on Gransnet, refer to exiting as "flouncing"?

As you were.

Not an insult. Just a fact.

John Lewis said that it cannot mitigate the problems that Brexit will cause

No, a MN post would be "don't let the door hit your arse on the way out*

Come on Gonegirl

OMG! Is that supposed to be an insult? I never read Mumsnet. Lemongrove often says she's not going participate any further, but always comes back. It would suggest she can't counter arguments other than by insulting other posters and flouncing.

That last post (*growstuff*) is so Mumsnet.

Bye lemongrove.

Yes, they were Callistemon and it's one theory why so many of their residents voted to leave - they were putting up two fingers at people they can see are more prosperous then they are. I don't know whether that's true, but it's certainly consistent with the data and I accept that their towns have been left to decay. It's also why the EU gave some of them grants for regeneration. However, there is absolutely no guarantee that the UK government will spend more of them after Brexit. Reading all the likely scenarios, it's more likely that they will become even poorer. If the ERGers and libertarians have their way, the future will be in services and there will be no place for manufacturing.

Lord Kerslake - retired head civil service.

Indicated that the report produced is only a summary that there are page after page of detailed paragraphs and this should be made public so that the voters can come to an informed conclusion.

GrannyGravy, you wrote:

"my point being that the UK has been to reliant on the EU, unable due to EU regulations to look elsewhere for better trade deals."

"The Politicians are the only ones who can sort this out, not a bunch of "Grannies/Grandpas" on GN."

In the past, you have posted stuff which is demonstrably complete rubbish, but you still won't accept that your reasoning could be faulty.

The UK can trade with other countries, as you yourself have just written.

It seems to me that when you're losing your argument, you play at being a silly old woman, who claims that you can't influence anything and leave it up to those "experts", whom leavers despise so much.

I really don't accept that. If people are so helpless and know so little, they should never have been given a vote on something so complex and important.

Democracy isn't just about putting a cross in a box. It's about being informed and knowing what you're voting for, even if some people get it wrong.

lemon thanks for the reminder?, yes I did overdo it. I was so cross yesterday that my fury took over.

Back to normal today.

maizie been out walking and just read your post about Black Swan.

Do we have any details about it?

" . . too reliant on the EU, unable due to EU regulations to look elsewhere for better trade deals." That sounds, GG13, as though you may think that we can only sell to the EU, and buy only from them. If that is your impression, no, it is not true. We sell to all the countries that the rest of the EU does, and buy from all the countries that they do, under the terms that the EU has negotiated - which are far better trade deals than we could achieve on our own.

Why should any country or trading bloc give us a better deal than they would to a vast organisation like the EU, a much bigger market for import and export than the UK? Each separate deal that we make with each of those countries or blocs will be less to our advantage than what we have in place up until 31st October.

When we leave, prices of incoming goods will rise, and the prices we get for exports will fall. That doesn't need an expert in international trade to predict, it is obvious that if there are customs duties on goods, they have to be paid.