Are you scared

Granless How many British civil servants can you name and put a face to?

How much tax have we lost thanks to HMRC's sweetheart deals and the UK's tax laws, which allow people to find numerous loopholes?

The ballot paper asked for a cross beside remain in the EU or leave the EU.

It did not ask the electorate for an essay on NI, Gibraltar or anything else that those who voted leave have been consistently asked for on GN.

Are you defending that ridiculous question GG13?

You seem to be saying that folk who hadn't got a clue were asked a very difficult question.

Varian, just stating the obvious!

Totally fed up with having to explain my vote. A vote that I am entitled to use as I see fit, for which myself and 17.4 million others have been continually pilloried and insulted for the last 3yrs and 3months!!!

Are you talking about the same 17,4 million people (some of whom have now died and some of whom have sensibly changed their minds) out of a population of 67 million, who have been pandered to for the last three and a half years because they were foo;led by the brexit liars who promise them all sorts of cake-and-eat it wonderful deals, sunlit uplands, unicorns and other undeliverable fairytales?

The sensible folk in the UK have long since seen through this utter nonsense but we have still had to see our taxpayers money spent on it.

Enough is enough.

Stop brexit - revoke Article 50 and save our country before it is too late.

Point taken growstuff. I think you are being mischievous!
Brussels and corruption go together.

It's not often that Leavers call other Leavers stupid.

has anyone of our so called MP's given a thought what the EU will do to us if we now do not leave we will surely be penalised much more than if we leave with no deal, i voted leave i still think we should leave and although i didnt think Boris was the person be the PM at least he is the only one showing the strenght to stand up to the EU and do as the people voted

I really would like to comment on this sort of thread but why when they come to me, are they already 12 pages long? I really haven’t got the time to plough through previous comments, interesting though they are, and I don’t want to say what someone else has already pointed out. I open my emails first thing in the morning and check them last thing at night! Grrrrh!

Yes, I am very concerned. I wanted to remain in Europe. It is a total mess and goodness knows what is round the corner but we can't do anything about it now. My Mom who is 97 is also worried, she wanted to remain too.

In what way do you think Johnson is showing strength?

I think the EU thinks that he's behaving like a petulant two year old and the sooner he and the UK go away, the better. They don't see him as "strong".

Some people seem to think that the EU is out to "get" the UK.

grammargran it doesn’t matter what anyone else has said. I just wanted to know what individuals were concerned about. Our day to day concerns not the rights and wrongs of staying or leaving.

I can't remember if I've alredy commented - so many Brexit threads.
So yes I'm a bit scared for the future, everything is so uncertain.
But a question - what has to be done by the PM, or Parliament etc, on Oct. 30th, to finally cut our bonds with the EU?

I don't think anything has to be done, Fennel. By the workings of Article 50 our membership ends on 30th October unless we have revoked or obtained an extension.

Although Parliament has passed an Act to prevent the government from leaving with no deal I don't see what can be done to ensure it is observed unless the power to ask for an extension, or to revoke, is legally taken away from the government by Parliament.

Grammargran - If you want to comment, then do so. There are plenty of views expressed where the poster has clearly not noticed that it has been said before. You just have to take your chance along with everyone else. Type it in, press "Post message" and send it!

17,410,742 votes for leave out of 46, 500,001 registered voters - call that the ‘will of the people’, JenniferEccles? I am absolutely sick and tired of hearing that phrase trotted out. A second referendum with defined conditions such as a two-thirds majority (which should’ve happened last time) now that the public are so much better informed, is the only way forward - and yes, I am scared. I’m scared of a no deal Brexit, I’m scared of Brexit with a deal and I’m bloomin’ scared of Boris Johnson, his mad cabinet and Dominic Cummings. There, that’s my fears laid bare ......

And they say it is scare mongering - yes, I am scared

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It is usual in organisations (businesses, charities, social clubs, hobby groups, PTAs, and so on) that a proposal to change any fundamental tenet of the constitutional rules should only be adopted if a stated proportion of the whole membership votes for the change - and the proportion is generally something like 75% or 80%.

17,500,000 leave voters out of 46,500,000 total electorate (rounded figures) converts to about 37.6 percent of the population wanting change enough to vote for it.

Changing the way a whole modern country conducts its trade is surely at least as important as changing a detail of the chess club's standing rules on competitions. An incompetent referendum does not deserve the impassioned defence it has received.

I agree with you Elegran but would just like to make the point that it goes beyond trade. Brexit will affect whether people can continue to live in the UK and whether UK citizens can continue to live in the EU. Families will be split.

It will affect whether people can study and work in the EU and how we co-operate with our neighbours on issues such as drug safety, security and crime.

It will also affect the UK's place in the world. The people who think that the UK will somehow return to being the country with an empire on which the sun never set are deluded. We're already being seen like a spoilt child stamping its feet, while other countries behave like grown ups. Other countries aren't interested in the internal politics of the Conservative Party. What they see is that the UK made a promise to pay a bill, but reneged on that commitment.

I'm not scared that the sky will fall in on 1 November, but I am fearful that I live in a country which will become increasingly less important and where life will become more difficult.

I agree with you, growstuff We are diminished by this in so many ways. Leavers think that it somehow will magically improve the standing of the Uk in the world, but the reverse is true. It makes us appear like two-year-olds who smash a toy in temper and then blame the children they are playing with for making them do it.

Elegran, in regard to your post @-15:02 today, there is much in what you state that I can agree with. I would add that the British first past the post electoral system needs to be dispensed with, along with the accompanying antiquated adversarial parliamentary system.

However, Britains present political and constitutional crisis seems to deepen by the day as Johnsons visit to Luxenberg demonstrated only too well yesterday. Nonetheless we are at present locked into the system of governance we have now and that will not change throughout whatever the length of this crisis is to be.

The above is the reason I feel that people should be deeply concerned for it would seem we have a legal and political system that is incapable of resolving any aspect of what now can only be called a national confrontation

There is already a shortage of HRT, if many more of us are battling menopausal symptoms without relief there will be mayhem!!!

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I suppose there is a limit to the amount of pregnant horse urine that can be collected to make the major HRT medication. Maybe should try phyto oestrogens.