Are you scared

I am not scared of the outcome of brexit
I am scared about the people that are running our country and even the ones that want to run it and ex pm’s should be exiled to a place of non privilege

morethan2 you have neatly and concisely summed up how I feel, and don't do yourself down by saying you are not clever; the people who are supposed to be clever, our representatives have not made a particularly good job of it have they?

Those of you posting that they "just want it over and done with" do realise don't you that if we leave without deal on 31st October, it will be far from over? It will just be the beginning. So why not get it right?

I am more scared that another EU commissioner is being investigated for fraud and corruption.........he is the Justice Commissioner?????

morethan2 I have same concerns as you plus the fact that all this is fueling the likelihood of Scottish independence which is hugely concerning. Sadly the Union Jack that the Brexiteers are flying just now is likely to lose its blue. People who yearn for the good old days will find a very different future I fear.

From the EUObserver

GranyGravy
And the Polish commissioner.
And the French Commissioner.

Petra I know I have posted about those, but some are so enamoured by the EU that they are blind to the corruption!!!

I'm concerned by those who are so enamoured by Brexit that they are blind to the problems of Ireland, Gibraltar and citizens' rights.

luckyrose62 (Mon 16-Sep-19 13:29:47)
I am not scared of the outcome of brexit

Do please tell us what will be so good. You must know by now it will take us years to recover (even JRM agree with that) so what balances that for you?

Petra I know I have posted about those, but some are so enamoured by the EU that they are blind to the corruption!!!

That simply isn't true GrannyGravy13. I have never come across anyone who voted remain who didn't think there could be improvements. You obviously only read the posts you agree with. I think our own system of government could be improved too but I am not going to flounce off because of it. I would rather work for changes.

Even the ERG members are said to be moving towards a 'deal' now they have seen the assessments of the country with no agreement on leaving.

Some on here remind me of the original Luddites. I have always had sympathy for them just as I do for those who want to turn back the clock on the way the world works. However, it is very noticeable that the Luddites couldn't stop progress and I don't think little England (the others don't want to stop it) can do so either. Just like the Luddites, in the end, the only ones who suffer are those who believe they can hold back the tide of change and those they drag with them.

GGMK3 I have always been in favour of a deal, just not the surrender document which was the WDA which was unable to get through Parliament on 3 occasions.

The border between Spain and Gibraltar is often closed due to numerous "Spanish" reasons. My family lived just down the road in mainland Spain, somedays you could drive over others you had to park up and walk over the border. There has never been a "free flowing" border as other EU counties have. Family members had to show passports and walk over 3 weeeks ago.

As for Ireland, that's is down to the civil servants and parliamentarians to sort out not me!!

Let’s hope the ‘change ‘doesn’t turn out to be a ‘reversal ‘
up a one way street into a dead end.

GGMK3 For me it is not stopping change, but stopping financing the corruption in Brussels.

The Lux Leaks ( Jean Claude Juncker)

Margaret Hodge asked:
how can we know he is working in the interest of Europe when, as PM of Luxembourg he has exploited populations in every European country and elsewhere for 20 years
How much tax have we lost thanks to Junckers sweetheart deals ?

Regarding the millennium bug, see the link

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45083650

for testimony from IT professionals who worked to avert this problem.
My husband is in IT and certainly believes that the millennium bug was a real threat.

€ 39,796,992 is divided between the 751 MEPS for 'general expenditure' without showing any invoices as to where this money is spent.

For a start John Bercow is a disgrace, Parliament generally also. Leavers won with a majority - Remainers are trying at every twist and turn to overturn the democratic result and seem to be getting away with it - nothing to do with the backstop.
I don’t want to be governed by unelected, faceless bureaucrats.
I am on holiday in Jersey which is technically not a member of the EU but does have free trade with the EU, so ..... get on with it Boris, we’ll be fine.

I too worry about medication I rely on which comes from Italy.

This constant harping on ‘the democratic will of the people’ as meaning just one thing is misplaced. Democracy doesn’t mean first-past-the-post in all circs no matter how narrow the margin. It means good government, and we haven’t been seeing much of that lately.

No deal would not put an end to uncertainty, and the TM deal is less advantageous than remaining.

And for every well-informed prudent Gnetter who understood just what they what they were voting for 3 years ago there must be 4-5 who were seduced by talk of immigrants taking their jobs and houses and have no financial leeway with which to ‘stockpile’. What about them??

These folk are not to blame WW

It is the liars of the leave campaign who are to blame.

I'm not saying all these leave voters have been brainwashed - many have woken up to the truth, but others have just become entrenched in this "leaver" identity to the extent that they do put their fingers in their ears lest any truth should seep through.

Their comfort zone is the Daily Mail or Express or The Sun or Torygraph or the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation or any of the numerous poisonous websites they can access daily on the internet to reinforce their belief in unicorns.

Still waiting for the extensive list of Brexit advantages which is making some GN posters excited?

Why was it a "surrender document"? We're not at war! The EU isn't the enemy.

So what's your solution for Ireland, Gibraltar and citizens' rights? Or don't you care?

If you want civil servants and MPs to sort it out, you don't have any right to have a say in how the country is run. You shouldn't have been given a vote in a referendum in the first place.

"Taking back control" means assuming some responsibility.

Civil servants can achieve the impossible, which is what you are expecting them to do.