The next Government

I saw that report grow.

However, I think that we can agree that this is becoming an existential crises and needs proper funding.

Don’t forget that this is a something the Labour has called for cross party cooperation, which seems very sensible

What of Scottish Labour in this brave new world I wonder ?

Don’t forget, that enabling the elderly to remain in their own home for as long as possible or in my mother’s case even those she is entirely bed bound and incontinent, means that they are kept out if hospital and the cost of care home.

That represents a clear saving to both the NHS and local authorities.

Just been reading about the IFS's analysis on what's on offer. Apparently, it's not so generous as it appears and it won't do anything for the poorest. An unintended consequence could be that the criteria for council-funded care become tougher. There are almost certainly going to be problems with staffing and funding, because most providers are struggling with the amount councils pay them.

Presumably the same place as the Tories are getting theirs.

WW2 and where are the ‘next’ government going to get the money from for free personal care for the elderly?

The next government will introduce free personal care for the elderly.

I welcome this.

Varian. Thank you but I have been watching the merged party since the late 80s and nothing has persuaded me that they are anything but Liberal. I am happy to see any party that is socially liberal but I see no trace of them being anything other than liberal when it comes to the economy especially with their performance in coalition.

You never know but I can't see them changing while they are pleasing so many people regarding the EU and building their numbers. They are not bad people, I just don't agree with enough of what the stand for.

Hi Whitewavemark2 - I am afraid I am allergic to your constantly robotically stating "the next government....' meaning the Labour Party. If this is supposed to be encouraging us to vote Labour it is failing with me. So it is not good electioneering.

Jeremy Corbyn has the lowest popularity rating of any Opposition Leader. The party conference began with a coup to oust the Deputy Leader, Tom Watson, an outspoken centrist. The party looks like a leftist clique with no compromise genes.

It's turning me off big time and I have ALWAYS previously voted Labour. Next time - Lib Dem.

Your posts sound like the Labour leadership. Droning over objectors, not answering points.

I know grow

I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision

BTW I think the strategy you outlined is the right one. If Labour were to win a GE, they should try to negotiate a new agreement, which should be put to a new referendum with "no deal" not as an option.

My personal view is that remaining is better than any option which could be negotiated, but if people wanted to accept a new deal, knowing very well what the consequences would be, I'd accept it.

Interesting thought though … I've seen the result of surveys which show that even in Labour constituencies which were strongly pro-Leave, the majority of Labour voters still voted to remain. They're the seats where the Brexit Party is hoping to gain, so Labour needs to think how to retain them. It could very well turn out that Labour could still win, even with a mandate to remain, because the opposition Leave vote will be split. Labour runs the risk in those seats of losing their Remain supporters to "no vote" or possibly the LibDems. All polls show that nationally approximately 70% of Labour voters voted to remain.

Everything crossed grandad but I think the remainers are very strong.

I voted, and would vote remain again, but I truly see the need to try to heal the divisions. We can’t allow this continued downward spiral and the hate and violence that has gripped this country.

Whitewavemark2 Quote [In fact I personally would prefer that in another referendum Labour stays neutral and allows a free vote amongst its MPs. They simply need to promise to uphold whatever the decision is.] End Quote.

I totally agree with your above statement Whitewavemark2. The Labour Party policy should stay as should they win the forthcoming General Election, they would then "attempt" to renegotiate parts of the withdrawal agreement, but whatever the outcome of those negotiations that would be placed before the British electorate in a further referendum.

However, a no-deal scenario would not be on the table in the negotiations or on the ballot paper in second the referendum. Therefore it would be leave on the terms of the withdrawal agreement or remain on the terms Britain holds now.

As already stated in this thread the Labour cannot solely be a party to remain as their heartlands in the North were among the strongest leave voting constituencies in the country.

Therefore in the above those Labour heartlands voters would be able to have a labour government and leave the European Union should they still wish to do so.

There would be no requirement for the Labour government to recommend either way, but allow MPs individually to speak out as they felt was appropriate in regard to their constituency and/or country.

What's not to like.

If you just take the time to read the LibDem policies, it will answer your questions GG

www.libdems.org.uk/manifesto

In fact personally I would prefer that in another referendum Labour stays neutral and allows a free vote amongst its MPs. They simply need to promise to uphold whatever the decision is.

I agree.

Green New Deal came at the top of the list!

varian perhaps the LDs need to clarify where they stand fiscally. I just cannot see any social policies coming from them. Socialism, by it very definition, is about control by the state, a little, more or a lot. The very heart of liberalism is anti state intervention. It is difficult to bring the two together.

I think that the most important thing is to begin to try to heal the vast divisions that have been created, and I think that a neutral government that carries out the wishes of its voters will help a long way along that path.

I have posted the intention with regard to an agreement above varian.

It is expected that the vote for Labour to argue to remain will pass, although as you would expect there will be a debate as some are arguing that Labour should shelve the decision until after the election as so many Labour supporters voted to leave. I can see the sense in that.

In fact personally I would prefer that in another referendum Labour stays neutral and allows a free vote amongst its MPs. They simply need to promise to uphold whatever the decision is.

People don’t need a government to tell them how to vote.

I'm sure that the Labour Party will come up with some quite good vote-catching policies - but what about the most important issue we are facing as a nation - this brexit nonsense?

Are they going to stop it or not?

As well as planting all those trees, the next government is going to put 100000 solar panels onto hospital roofs, gradually phase out ambulances to be replaced by low carbon ones.

The LIbDems were hardly happy with any Tory policies from 2010-2015 but by entering the coalition we were able to ameliorate some, stop the worst and also enact good LibDem policies like taking the lowest paid out of income tax (which was a hard fought battle but the Tories now claim credit for.

Shame really, because I think that the Lib Dem’s have more in common with Labour than the Tories.

I'm not sure how they could have WW.

Socially conservative; fiscally conservative =Tories
Socially liberal; fiscally liberal (which is to the right of fiscally conservative) =Liberals

I feel the current LD party was very happy to fit in fiscally with the Tories when they were in the coalition but not so happy socially with them.

I think we would all like them to be but they have shown no signs of it. Social Liberalism that favours social welfare and liberal justice (sometimes called left liberalism) doesn't seem to exist in this country - I wish it did!

witzend I think the term is

Watch this space?

What next government?