Labour Party Conference - chaos reigns.

I didn't see chaos I saw democracy, swiftly followed by very silly journalists belittling their own intelligence by complaining perfectly simply propositions were "too difficult to understand".

labaik it is always like that

I think the Tory Cabinet knew about the plan to prorogue. The actual timing may have surprised a few. Who knows?

Whitewavemark2 Quote [ Listening to the impassioned Brexit speeches, a real debate taking place. Excellent!] End Quote.

I had to go into the office from mid-morning onwards so missed the debate, but I understand that real passion was demonstrated by both sides on the podium and from the conference floor.

The above is what such party conferences should and must be about. In that, the executive and the grassroots members in equality at the podium aiming for the support of all those delegated to represent the membership at the conference, wonderfull politics.

I have just seen a recording of the John McDonald tribute to Jeremy Corbyn in regard to his restraint in the face of the unprecedented personal attacks on him by Britains extream right-wing press and media.

It was wonderfull to see the reaction and overwhelming support demonstrated from all in attendance at the conference for Jeremy Corbyn when that tribute was paid to him.

Great stuff and what for me the British Labour movement is all about. Wish it was me at Brighton this year attending the fringe meetings for our company, but that could not be, unfortunately.

I only caught an hour of today's conference but it looked totally shambolic...

Listening to the impassioned Brexit speeches, a real debate taking place. Excellent!

Something you will never see at the Tory conference as the sheep sit on their bottoms baaing in approval at policies they have no say in.

Imagine the frenzy if Corbyn was alleged to have siphoned public money to a friend and intervened to make sure she went on trade missions for which she didn’t meet the criteria.

Good job the EU controls spending because the distribution of the money is much fairer than the way the government would spend it.

Ah, but the money doesn't come from the deprived regions, which the EU supports. There is no guarantee that the government would use any money saved (if there is any) on those regions.

Hmm! This is going to be interesting.

Unison is going to oppose the NEC's wait and see Brexit position, then support motion 13, and abstain on motion 14 - in other words, a huge union is breaking with Corbyn's position on Brexit today and wants to push the party to back Remain immediately

Anyone would think they are an evil dictatorship! what about all those democratically-elected MEPs including from UK, or is there some DarkForce behind these malevolent decisions?

I suspect though that they appreciate the EU grants that they have received

And they are all bright enough to know we give Brussels far more than we get back, and that the EU ear-marking the way in which the money we receive back is used, means, to all intents and purposes, even our spending is controlled by Brussels.

The truth bit, Annie, is that Corbyn left the meeting before the motion was proposed. That's easily verifiable

And one has to wonder why?

Corbyn slithers like a snake and cannot even stand up to be counted when his deputy's position and career is being discussed and endangered.

They use to call Blair "Teflon Tony" because tried to ensure nothing would stick. Looks like Corbyn is from the same Labour mould.

Labour Party want to abolish private schools and grammar schools.......they do not want the general public’s children to be able to “better” themselves.

When the private schools are closed and all the wealthiest folks move to be near the better state schools, the house prices sky rocket and yet again the poor suffer.

I suspect though that they appreciate the EU grants that they have received - and are probably, sadly, expecting that the government will step in with this money after Brexit..

but Labour in turn draws most of its votes from Brexit voting areas, who voted brexit as a backlash against austerity and years of neglect

Brexit voters were concerned with NEGLECT, and their vote was a backlash against the Westminster Remainer elite and the London bubble. The disconnect between politicians and the electorate is still not understood in the HOC, or by many GN posters.

The lowest earning taxpayer, in what WERE Labour heartlands, (but no more) no longer wants to fund the EU to the tune of BILLIONS whilst there is so much in the UK which needs fixing. Neither do they want to bail out the Euro when that currency collapses. Whilst we are in the EU the UK is liable for any Euro currency crash/debts created by Brussels and EU banks.

And way down in the estimation of many.

Whitewave and Grandad, if you resort to insulting a poster with different views from yours, I think you are truly desperate and it says more about you than it does me.

And Grandad - please point out the post in which I declare my love for Boris Johnson?

You claim he is "the current Tory party leader that he/she so loves"

Yet another lie - or if I am to be charitable - a lack of understanding from you.

I have never been a fan, but along with many others, I have been surprised and pleased that he seem about the only politician determined to break the deadlock over Brexit. He has gone way up in the estimation of many.

Did the leader know Maizie ?

Well, I don't know, Ug. Didn't prorogation go ahead without most of the Cabinet knowing about it?

Urmstongran , I doubt ‘seriously thinks’ .

I didn’t say Corbyn left because of the vote , I did say he left minutes before the vote .

In my opinion, it’s rubbish to say Corbyn the leader of the party wasn’t told there was to be a move to get rid of his deputy leader at that meeting

Does anyone seriously think such a proposal went ahead without JC even knowing about it?

The truth bit, Annie, is that Corbyn left the meeting before the motion was proposed. That's easily verifiable.

The 'opinion' is that Corbyn knew about the planned motion. Which no-one can possibly know is true unless one has real insider information. Do you have that, Annie?

Ah then can you point me to the evidence, that Corbyn left because of the vote.

Leaving early doesn’t provide proof btw