How dare brexiteers jeopardise my daughter's life!!

P.s. my cousin has a colostomy - people in Leave voting families are vulnerable too.

She voted Leave by the way.

Mcem my daughter is in the same position & has been warned by both her consultant & GP that her medication is likely to be in short supply post Brexit. She is 23 & has epilepsy & it has taken several years to get her medication on an even keel. I am extremely worried for her but obviously keeping that to myself.
I voted remain but we have to accept the democratic vote of the electorate (albeit a small majority) however some of the views expressed on this thread are breathtaking vile. How very sad.

You are as bad varian

literally threatened with a higher risk of death by the mindless brexit nonsense

Which normal caring person would ever have voted for this?

You imply I did. And all who voted Leave.

No one ‘voted for this’. What an awful thing to say.

P.s. A friend of mine is a pharmacist and has his own independent pharmacy for over 10y. I’m going to ask him questions on this topic when I see him next week.

Hear, hear Fiachna50 Mon 23-Sep-19 21:13:49

A voice of reason amongst all this cacophony of febrile sound.

I can understand your worry mcem and I’m not making light of it. I’m sure I would feel very anxious if it were my daughter.

But nothing has happened yet.

We may get a deal.

Your daughter’s hospital specialist would do well to sit you & your daughter down and discuss your (understandable) fears rationally.

Is your daughter as scared as you? Or has she had some degree of positivity about this situation? I refer you to the upthread post by the NHS nurse practitioner.

Perhaps you could p.m. her? She may be able to give you further reassurance.

But I’m with Gabriella here (and one or two others on this thread). Emotive language and vitriol against those of us who voted Leave is wrong. We put a cross on a piece of paper in a ballot box. We are not monsters. I’m sure everyfeels for your anguish here as a mother.

A little compassion for families worried about how their loved ones will cope, should their meds become unavailable, would be nice to read.

I can only imagine those utterly unconcerned about the availability of essential drugs don't have family members who are sick/chronically ill and needing medication. I'm stunned that they cannot empathise with those experiencing possible unavailability of essential meds.

A colleague has already experienced his drugs not being available and tells me his Dr got them for him in the end. I have no idea what that involved, but I know my friend is anxious about his next prescription.

mcem you have my sympathy about your DD's situation. I too would be distraught if it were happening in my family.

Better complain to Govt then - it is all in that Yellowhammer report.

I see doom and gloom is alive and well.

Shortage of medicines is largely due to manufacturing and supply issues. Those of us who voted to leave didn't make a ghastly mistake. We weren't mislead. We haven't changed our minds. We simply voted to leave!

None of the predicted chaos has actually happened, has it? Yet still we have Brexit blamed for everything. Contingency plans have been made. There's certainly been enough time! If the vote had been to remain, I would have accepted it. Why can't remainers just accept the decision to leave?

^How did you all manage before we, in the UK, 'joined' the EU?
Were any of you short of meds?^

Gabriella, I am still wondering how someone with legal training can be so illogical.

Poppyred do you include the Governmment in your list of "the same old story from the same old people screaming the same old message......." That is where the quotes in my previous post come from, though the bold emphasis is mine.

How can it be "hysterical" to take seriously the goverment planning document - released by the government, not something dreamed up by scaremongers which says quite clearly in paragraph 6 -

"The reliance of medicines and medical products' supply chains on the short straits crossing make them particularly vulnerable to severe extended delays: three quarters of medicines come via the short straits. Supply chains are also highly regulated and require transportation that meets Good Distribution Practices This can include limits on time of transit, or mean product must be distributed under temperature controlled conditions. Whilst some products can be stockpiled, others cannot due to short shelf lives - it will also not be practical to stockpile products to cover expected delays of up to six months .

(Without mitigation,there could be a reasonable worst-case low rate of*40% of the pre-Brexit amount of medicines coming in* via the short straits, with significant disruption lasting up to six months. DHSC is developing plans to mitigate this. Fingers crossed their mitigation works!)

Veterinary medicines will also suffer, "with potential detrimental impacts for animal health and welfare, the environment and wider food safety, availability and zoonotic diseases which can directly impact human health. Industry stockpiling will not be able to match the 4-12 weeks worth of stockpiling which took place in March 2019. Air freight capacity and the special import scheme is not a financially viable mitigation to fully close risks associated with all UK veterinary medicine availability issue due to border disruption" (DEFRA)

I do wonder whether some leavers have taken the chance to actually read what is likely to happen as a direct result of this action, and just why they are in denial about possible dangers to human and animal health and welfare - even of life if essential medication is in short supply. However much mitigation is planned, miracles are not guaranteed. God does not temper the medication shortage to the shorn lamb vulnerable patient.

GG54 is a Faragist

Ahhhh. It all makes sense now. Totally.

Started reading this thread and then realised it’s the same old story from the same old people screaming the same old message........ ???

I didn't actually say she was one, I don't think Maizie. We shall see.

they've been letting people die needlessly since they came to power..their austerity measures and the DWP atos assessments or whoever does them now have caused tens of thousands of unecessary deaths ...FACT .Why would they bother about some more? Especially folk at the bottom of the ladder .the ones they have been labelling scroungers because they are sick or old or vulnerable .

Maybe a wise decision F.
If you see my posts as nasty rather angry and worried, so be it.
Can't quite work out whether your posts are patronising or disingenuous but unlike some others, I do not see them as malicious.
I will now phone DD to find out if she feels any less anxious (not to mention unwell) since I spoke to her this afternoon.

GG54 is a Faragist, GGMK2. Clearly being thought to be a tory is something of an insult...

I somehow don't think Gnet is going to be bothered about mis-attribution of allegiances

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Anyway, I was trying to get people to stop and think rather than tearing each other apart.

What makes you think That people haven’t stopped to think? This is been going on for years now. People have thought their opinions through. There is so much information out there at our fingertips. All we need to do is actively search for it and parse through it.

This has been a long time coming.

How did you all manage before we, in the UK, 'joined' the EU?

Maybe because there were deals in place for trade with other countries?

I stick to what I wrote Gabriella. Report away.

Mcem I don't understand why you have been so downright nasty. I am very sorry about your daughter and the situation with the medicine. I still think you need to contact your MP. Anyway, I was trying to get people to stop and think rather than tearing each other apart. Thats fine if you want to take other advice. I really dont think I will bother commenting. Some of the people on here are not prepared to listen to another point of view and some are very nasty. You know nothing about me, so have a care. I understand you are upset, but no need to be so horrible. You will be pleased to know Im going and taking my Pollyanna philosophy with me. I honestly have to say Ive never come across as many nasty people in a group as in this Gransnet. I certainly wont be recommending it to anyone.Time for me to go I think.

Marginally better to be nuts and have a heart than to be utterly heartless and self-centred!

...and I am not a Tory voter. Anyone making spurious claims about my allegiances will get reported.

No-one had died yet so it's rather disingenuous and even dangerous to start saying that it's about people dying who need not have died, and blaming those who voted to leave.
How did you all manage before we, in the UK, 'joined' the EU?
Were any of you short of meds?
Were you all for joining because it would guarantee a regular supply of medications?
Trying to make those who voted to leave, feel guilty about your or your family's work prospects or medications etc is absolutely beyond the pale...well beyond it.
I wonder how you can predict so much without actually having a clue.

You are blaming innocent people for something that has not happened.
How daft can you get...
Absolutely nuts.