Where will they all go and live ???

Daisyboots, we would indeed make a very nice profit - 60+ %.

Thanks Mamie, I did not know that.

Thanks for that, Daisyboots.

I had acknowledged my moment of confusion a few posts ago...

MaisieD people who might return to England (I am not one of them) will actually be better off because they will get more £s for their €s. £1 used to be €1.30 now its around €1.12.

Can we just clarify please pinkquartz the difference between the various groups of people you mention? ( yes, they are actually people)

an economic migrant....a refugee....an asylum seeker , these are 3 distinct groups of people.

Do you understand the difference and do you understand what this has to do with the EU?

No Jura the bi-lateral taxation treaties are agreed by the countries concerned and are independent of the EU.

What on earth do illegal immigrants have to do with the EU?!?!

You really are confusing two different issues pinkquartz.

PS. I hate the term "illegals". Why can't you use a proper description such as "illegal immigrant" rather than condemning them with a label?

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Just wondering though, isn't the double taxation treaty linked to EU - and will it still be valid if and when we crash out with No Deal?

USA expats do have to pay double taxation, which is why so many give up their USA citizenship as soon as poss.

Actually we did have a vote if we had been away from the UK less than 15 years. The UK is unusual in this. Mose countries allow their nationals overseas a vote for life.

Not off topic, Summerlove, but I accept the correction, I should have said U.K. citizens living in Europe.

U.K. residents living in Europe were not allowed to vote in the 2016 referendum
Totally off topic, but how can someone be a UK resident, if they reside in another country?

jura I don't think generosity comes into it. The countries concerned are party to the double taxation treaty and France gets the tax paid by French retirees in the UK. If that is the way they want to do it then they take the consequences. You also have to bear in mind that health cover in France is paid for by the cotisations from the equivalent of National Insurance not general taxation.

U.K. residents living in Europe were not allowed to vote in the 2016 referendum, very wrong in my opinion. Private health insurance is the only way to go for these people if we leave without a deal, but as Jura said, you try getting health insurance if you are over 60 and have health issues. I discovered this when trying to get travel insurance for my husband when travelling to Greece for a holiday. A well known company who trades on insuring older people with health issues wouldn’t insure him for any health issues as he was awaiting a minor operation. However, as we had an EU health card, I didn’t worry too much. Brexit will put pay to this safety net for all of us travelling to Europe in the future, if we leave without a deal.

To an extent yes jura, but if the British retirees in France are spending all their disposable income in the host country ... fuel, alcohol, food, services etc etc .... then they are actually contributing to the French economy and paying VAT to the country of residence.

Yes, thanks. My point is that it seems wrong that the UK gets most of the tax, and not the country of permanent residence. And therefore generous to agree to allow inclusion in health care system.

Ah ok Jura probably a different system in Switzerland then. In France (and other EU countries afaik) people who worked for government, local government, teaching, military etc are obliged to pay tax on occupational pensions at source in the UK. I think the idea is that if the UK state is paying your pension then they want to keep some. Any other pension provider, plus the state OAP is taxable in your country of residence. So we fill out a tax form listing all our pensions and in a separate section we list my gross and net local government pension. The whole lot is added together and there is a rebate against the tax I have already paid in the UK. We still pay quite a hefty sum in France!
I think this would be the same for French pensioners in the UK.
Hope that is clearer. ?

LondonGranny
Quote re Leavers.
To be or not to be.

Sorry Mamie- I am not arguing with you about this, I am trying to get my head around this. Why should permanent residents in FRance, pay tax in the UK rather than in France? And if they do - then the UK should agree to continue to pay for health care via form S1- as they get most of the tax money. ???

We only pay tax in Switzerland currently, apart from tax on our holiday apartment in the UK.

Thanks growstuff.
In summary, I think the bottom line here is that after Brexit (faster after a no-deal Brexit) we become Third Country Nationals subject to the laws of our host country. They may chose to help smooth the transition, but basically we lose freedom of movement and are treated in exactly the same way and within the same legal framework as Americans, Australians etc. We get health cover and rights to residence on that basis.
It is worrying for us all, but I think the important thing is to understand the facts and the legal framework of our host country.
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Jura the French government do get our taxes. I don't know how it works in Switzerland but here we are taxed as a household, so the tax is cumulative for two state pensions and two occupational pensions and then there is a rebate for my LGPS pension.
Apart from that I don't see how the French government could discriminate against the small number of UK migrants who have government pensions. Why would they break their own laws to do that?

How many illegal immigrants do you think there are pinkquartz? As they're illegal, they won't be able to access services.

How often does it have to be sadi we dont give ILLEGAL immigrants anything ...What the British government in all its wisdom ok thats poetic license ..is doing is forcing EU migrants out who DO work ,pay taxes and contribute to the economy .What they'll get back is more than a million old folk with depleted funds and health problems ....what a great swap!!

I'm Type 2 diabetic. The medication is the least of the expense. I buy my own testing equipment because it's not funded by the NHS, but I do have have regular feet and eye checks and blood tests, paid for by the NHS. I also have to take medication for diabetic neuropathy in my legs and feet and I have diabetic retinopathy, which will only get worse, and the beginnings of kidney disease. The worst case scenario is that I could end up blind and with foot amputations and serious kidney problems. Not a happy prospect, but at least I know that I won't have to pay for surgery. I also have regular blood tests to check for Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D deficiency and calcium levels. I've had a heart attack and have a stent, so I also take medicines to keep my blood pressure and cholestorol on track. The NHS fitted the stent within an hour of having the heart attack, so I was very lucky - at least I didn't have any delays while I signed a form to promise to pay for the emergency ambulance and op.

If I were to think of moving abroad, I doubt whether I could afford to pay for health insurance and I certainly couldn't fund myself.

PS. I actually have very good glucose control, am not overweight, don't smoke or drink alcohol and exercise regularly, so it's just Sod's Law :-(

Thank you for taking the time and trouble research Mamie. Very interesting.