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Our responsibility as parents/grandparents

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Rebellious Tue 24-Sept-19 19:52:16

Do we as parents/grandparents have a responsibility to vote in line with the wishes of our descendants? After all, they will inherit our decisions long after we are gone and we do seem to have made rather a mess of things lately grin

Sb74 Wed 25-Sept-19 15:18:52

Why should a consultant neurologist know what pharma companies are doing?? I talk to consultants every day, they don’t know what Pharma are doing?, They are too busy saving lives but worried of course?!! Do you not think that other political parties are asking these people to say this stuff to make conservatives a look bad? It’s all game playing. I would have thought it would be reassuring to know that pharma have stockpiled but if you would rather worry unnecessarily than please go ahead.

GabriellaG54 Wed 25-Sept-19 15:42:17

Sb74
Yeah yeah...area 51.

Coyoacan Wed 25-Sept-19 15:48:49

Surely, unless you have not kept up to date with the information, you have more criteria to make an intelligent vote than the younger generation. I find that a lot of the younger generation are easily deceived about how things were twenty years ago, for example.

And of course any vote I give will be for what I perceive to be the best thing for my country and my family.

Sb74 Wed 25-Sept-19 15:56:14

Think what you like Gabriella. You can’t know much about business if you seriously think pharma companies or any other large organisation don’t plan for these kind of things. I’m not sure why it’s so hard to believe and why everyone is in such a panic about it? Pharma has stockpiled. Whether generic houses have too, I don’t know, I would imagine they have but branded products will have been.

Rebellious Wed 25-Sept-19 16:05:02

In my experience there are 2 main kinds of voter.

1 Those who look into it and read the policies and make an informed decision.

2 Those who pick a political party like they pick a football team and support them no matter how badly they play

Elegran Wed 25-Sept-19 16:07:35

Consultant neurologists are a likely to have their own opinion on what is going to happen with medicines as anyone else, and probably as little real knowlege as anyone else too.

Using what IS in the public domain as a basis for conjecture, plus the assumption that professionals will all be doing their level best to make sure that patients suffer as little as possible, I will make a few predictions -

There are probably as many medicines already stockpiled as can be practically collected and stored. Some of those stocks will have been used up during the delays. The manufacturers may not have replaced their own stockpiled stores, depleted in the first rush to order in large consignments, so another wave of massive orders may or may not be successful, depending on production levels.

Delivery of medications to the UK from abroad, either from EU countries or from non-EU ones, relies on transport routed being clear for speedy transit and on customs formalities not slowing down progress. As many other types of goods will also be going along the transport routes and undergoing customs checks, there may be, as predicted by Govt sources, be delays at ports and other entry points. We are dependent on these being kept moving and delays being at a minimum.

Keeping track of what goes in and out of the stockpiles, and using items in strict date order, will need a lot of manpower and a lot of care to avoid issuing new deliveries before short-dated items. We depend on that manpower and the stock control systems.

Many medical items need to be stored under refrigeration refrigeration. We depend on there being enough reliable refrigeration in the storage facilities.

Stockpiling is certain to be happening at all kinds of levels - by distributors, by pharmacy warehouses, by individual pharmacy outlets, by hospital and GP drug storecupboards, by individual patients. That takes up stocks of items multiple times, adding to the amount that needs to come into the country.

If you pile all these variables one on top of the other, what do you get? Several "What if . . " pinch points where problems and delays could occur. A very clear impression that no-one can state categorically that, "it will all be OK" - it may not be!

If you rely on regular medication, be prepared. There is time before Hallowe'en to get at least one repeat prescription ahead, more if lack of the medication would be life-threatening. Ask your GP or pharmacist where your medicine is manufactured, and if it is imported whether there is an alternative that is made in a UK laboratory.

This is not hysteria or panic, it is simple common sense.

Neilspurgeon0 Wed 25-Sept-19 16:16:24

Me too Opsminty no bugger is going to tell ME how I should vote !!!

JenniferEccles Wed 25-Sept-19 16:35:40

I voted according to my own thoughts and wishes, (leave) and although I did ask my grown up children which way they were leaning, I most certainly didn't try to influence them in any way, or them me.

In the same way in the past, I wouldn't have expected my parents to consult me for my opinion before voting.

Honestly can't we think for ourselves?

And as for the person who said a family member wants us to lose the vote at 55, words fail me.

I hope the young man in question was put in his place!

Daisymae Wed 25-Sept-19 16:41:17

Sb74 - because it's part of his remit as a government advisor! Seriously! Just because there's plenty of aspirin does not mean all is ok.

Rebellious Wed 25-Sept-19 16:47:28

JenniferEccles it was my son. It was retirement and it was a paper he was asked to write for his degree.

I do not appreciate the character of my son being attacked simply because some haven't read the comments properly and have flown off the handle as a result. I am sure you can understand.

JaneJudge Wed 25-Sept-19 16:47:31

My own understand of pharma is that drugs purchased rely on market fluctuations and this affects supply and demand confused there are issues surrounding branded drugs for diabetes and epilepsy anyway - this is just my experience now. Obviouyou drugs for both diabetes and epilepsy are life saving every day for people and not something that can be immediately stopped. I'm not sure why ministers can't and will not reassure medical charities that there will not be disruption in supply if it's the case there won't be. It doesn't make sense and I agree it instills fear and panic and the fact they've wheeled out Lord Pannick has tickled me a bit blush

Summerstorm Wed 25-Sept-19 16:51:59

I like to think I brought my children and grandchildren up to be independent, while realising that actions have consequences. I have spoken to them about how we are individually all intending to vote. Quite differing opinions, but surely that’s the point of voting. I might be old but my brain is still in working order and god help anyone that tries to tell me how to think

Bridgeit Wed 25-Sept-19 16:52:22

No, trying to tactical vote to please someone else is just wrong.
There is no guarantee that it will achieve their desired result , & you would not being true to yourself.
There are few things in life that are, ours and ours alone, voting is one of them.

JaneJudge Wed 25-Sept-19 16:53:15

Sorry I haven't answered the question to the thread. Personally I vote in a manner that I feel benefits most people but (surprise) I support effort to protect and provide for those most vulnerable. I don't however think there should be restrictions on who can vote. If you believe in democracy you support the rights and choices of those involved with it whether you agree with them or not.

I also think party politics are outdated. My MP is awful, it's just a safe seat and I think party politics are to blame for that as people are voting for a party rather than who would work hard within their constituency regardless of party.

Oopsminty Wed 25-Sept-19 16:56:45

Retirement or not, Rebellious, it was rather tactless. I'd have given my 3 children short shrift if they'd ever suggested such a thing.

My parents /grandparents would always get out to vote rain or shine. They were proud to do so.

In fact my grandparents would dress up for the occasion! Grandpa would drive there in his suit and tie, trilby on head!

To think youngsters would suggest he shouldn't be allowed to vote due to his age is just so insulting.

Rebellious Wed 25-Sept-19 17:16:19

Oopsminty I will pass on your concerns to my son that he should fail his degree in order to protect your sensibilities.

I won't really do this as it would be obsurd

He did make a very interesting case. Especially given the older generations extraordinary ability to make snap judgements on a very decent and respectable young man.

kittylester Wed 25-Sept-19 17:41:11

My children are slightly left of centre and dh and I are slightly right of centre but we all voted remain.

I dont think anyone can really say that immigrants haven't, on balance, been an asset to our country.

Rebellious Wed 25-Sept-19 17:42:04

I think a lot of measured and fair replies on this question and I thank everyone for those contributions. I think we will continue our discussions at home. Although ultimately voting is a very private and personal thing we are not obligated to share even with our loved ones.

sarahellenwhitney Wed 25-Sept-19 18:42:10

HettyMaud
I voted for the same party as my parents, who did not influence me, but was based on theirs and my lifestyle that party had made possible.
My children live overseas but I would hope were they to have a UK vote be based on like myself, what they when growing up had benefited by.

AdeleJay Wed 25-Sept-19 18:44:19

I always vote though this tome it’s going to be difficult to decide. The leadership is all wrong regardless of party. I have always been influenced by my family ‘s needs. But in the present situation I can only hope that what I believe in is the best possible choice for us all in the future.

However I do think we should all continue to exercise our franchise, it was hard won.

willa45 Wed 25-Sept-19 21:38:26

Rebellious, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Voters should also beware against being swayed by their emotions or their nostalgia.

I don't mean to be simplistic, but how else to illustrate?

Devious politicians target gullible voters with very broad, highly sentimental issues in order to win votes.... once they win an election however, all bets are off!

They use catchy slogans and ambiguous promises like 'Together we can build a better world!'......Yeah right, uh huh!

Unfortunately, a lot of people won't refuse a candidate because they are led to believe he/she will actually deliver what they promise!

Anniel Thu 26-Sept-19 12:45:40

I am a Conservative. In national elections i would never change that vote but I have voted Lid Dem in local elections as i find the party is good at running local affairs. All of my children are Conservatives and the one grandson who lives in UK is also Conservative and we all voted leave in the referendum. However, I decided to consult my British grandson on the referendum vote. He is 34 and works in IT, has a good degree and is a settled family man. he told me that he was voting Leave so satisfied with our choices, we all voted that way. no member of my family is thick or racist and I am appalled at the name calling that goes on. The one sided discussion here about the parliamentary proceedings last night decided me not to bother arguing. if you cannot see that the hate arguments came from all sides of the chamber, it is not worth my time or attention.

Ginger79 Thu 26-Sept-19 15:16:03

Grannygravy
What have taxes to do with voting.For your information we also pay tax.

Jane43 Fri 27-Sept-19 15:55:06

The main reason we voted remain in the referendum was that there would probably be more opportunities for young people if we remained in the EU. Come the next election we will probably vote with the same overriding consideration.

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 18:00:46

I cannot tell you, GNetters, how much I love my grandchildren. But I expect most of you feel the same,

Why on earth would any loving GP ever want to deprive their grandchildren of all the wonderful opportunities that we had and our children had as UK citizens and EU citizen?s@?