The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

No Day6 Outrage is what Johnson wants to cause. It's a discussion by people who actually care about their country and the way it's run.

I've never been outraged by people I hold in contempt.

Montymops , thank heaven for your post ,

Exactly! It's paving the way for people to walk along the side of the road - and claim "it wasn't me guv".

I seriously wonder about the moral compass of people who defend Johnson or can't see what he's done. Maybe they're so blinded by their own beliefs that they really don't see it. It's truly frightening.

What Boris is doing may not be the actions of a dictator, but it IS paving the way for him - or anyone else who follows the same path - to be able to transform themselves into a dictator.

It’s too early yet for heavy political discussion for me

Same here Urms

However, I am smiling to myself . This is a Remainer 'outrage' thread.

'Active' Leavers are outnumbered, tenfold or more, by Remainers on GN. It's a shame there aren't more of us, but I think many of us have realised the futility of posting anything on threads like this.

However, social media is chock full of posts congratulating the attorney general on his wonderfully pertinent barn-storming speech in condemning our 'dead' and cowardly parliament.

Parliament can more to get rid of Boris. Everyone on this thread knows that. Corbyn has to trigger a vote of no confidence, then there would be a GE.

No one seems to be debating why the spineless leader of the opposition Corbyn isn't doing this - seeing off Boris.

We all know why. Labour is unelectable.

A GE would see Boris and co storm to victory.

The mood at grass roots level is angry. angry with parliament prolonging the Brexit mess. Leavers don't post much, but social media is full of them swatting down government detractors and highlighting the 'dead'opposition - too scared to ask the people what they want.

Ha. Seems I was in the mood to post after all.

So, bring on the GE then?

CarlyD7, that is appalling.

The very wealthy in this country will also benefit from leaving the EU, because of proposed EU legislation which will try to prevent EU citizens from hiding their money in tax havens.

How nice that Rachel Johnson has also so roundly condemned her brother's language in Parliament and his callous point scoring on Jo Cox's memory.

Well done this woman, very brave. I wouldn't like to spend Christmas with that family, for sure.

news.sky.com/…/boris-johnsons-language-was-tasteless…

I would have liked to hear Ferrari's and the Brexit party's responses - did they actually stand by Johnson's appalling words?

Interesting interview with Boris's sister Rachel today on R4's World at One. She was asked about who is deciding Boris's strategy? One of the options she offered was "It could be from people who have invested billions in shorting the pound or shorting the country in the expectation of a No Deal Brexit". (Just looked this up - it's what very rich people do by betting against a future currency, so "shorting the pound" means that they have invested millions in betting that the value of the pount will go DOWN (thus giving them huge profits). To ensure this, of course, we need a No Deal Brexit. Wonder how many owners of the right wing newspapers in this country, currently driving Brexit, are doing this? Are we all being used ?? (Oh yes, and the EU has laws that can be used to ban this practice being used against the Euro - we, of course, have none).

My daughter who has never suffered the outrages of war or its aftermath told us last night that she saw strong similarities between our current situation and those in Germany as Hitler rose to power. And she also is worried.

No excuse for this dreadful state of affairs.

Parliament 7. Johnson 0. And girly swots win.

Sorry. Many years although some may think monkey is more appropriate

Baggs
Dictators don't offer general elections to the populace.

I don't think that's true, from the electoral shenanigans we hear about in some countries!

For monkey's tears I have stated that I believe that what happened in Germany could have happened in the UK, or almost any other state if it was not for the accident of events.

Strong democracies are not under any serious risks from the perceived obvious risks. No rather they are at risk from effective rabble rousing politicians who ignore the law, disrespect the law, judges and representatives of the people. It is worth remembering that Hitler was legitimately elected and later appointed to head and form a government of his nation. He did not, nor do most demigods, achieve power by means of a military coup. However once in power they all encourage popular disrespect for the law and the parliamentary representatives and that is the course that our PM and much of his party are about. If successful it may help him achieve his short term objectives however it is possible that he will have thrust a sword of anarchy into the heart of our democracy........or maybe that is his intention so that he can be more like his hero, Augustus.

Hi I watched all the questions put to Boris Johnson last night , and I did not at any time see him personally threaten anyone
Yes , as us Boris he probably managed to put his foot in it !! but he was being shouted at from the opposition ,called a liar and I think he did well to deal with the harassment from them
It was a screeching labour MP who first mentioned Jo Cox , WHY , there really was no need for her name to be brought into it !!
And when all is said and done Boris Johnson is only trying to do what this country voted for in 2016 .
The opposition have no right to ignore the vote of the Brexiteers
To add to all this they are aided and abetted by John
Bercow , this man is supposed to be neutral ,and in my opinion the sooner he goes the better
Just remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion !!
This once great country is being sold down the line , it is all so sad

It is a sweeping generalisation to say that ALL MPs are as bad as each other, are only in it for their own gain, and do not have their constituents at heart. Jess Phillips is a Birmingham MP (not mine, but I live in Birmingham). She is the most passionate, principled and hardworking constituency MP, certainly not in it for herself. Her stance on language, death/rape threats is to publicly condemn, hence her question this morning. There are many others like her. There are also many who are not (including mine, unfortunately) as we are seeing in the HoC at the moment.

Dictators don't offer general elections to the populace.

Why didn't Mr Speaker call Order? Was he even there?
Oh, sorry, of course, it was the Tories who were misbehaving so he let them carry on with a nod and a wink to the Left!

Worth listening to Dr David Starkey, the well known historian.........on......

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/

Funny how Boris shot himself in the foot during his US visit. After insisting that proroguing Parliament had NOTHING to do with Brexit, he then made a speech where he accused those who brought the court action of trying to stop Brexit. Clearly he couldn't quite join the dots ...

Montymops, if you either read or listen to the entirety of Lady Hale's ruling, you will realise that it was not a political judgment, any more than it would have been if the Supreme Court had ruled in favour of Johnson. The ruling was on points of law, evidence and precedent.

I think that it would be a dangerous route to go down to have politically appointed judges.

SirChenjin, this thread was not about Brexit. It was about the importance of our elected representatives, particularly the Prime Minister, obeying the law.

Unelected judges didn't make political decisions.

Proroguing Parliament wasn't political. Johnson himself said as much, so it must be true.

BTW montypops So good of you to join GN to make your contribution.

It's those who want one thing against those who want another, always has been in Parliament. Granted the rhetoric yesterday was appalling to see but I wonder if that kind of behaviour was the norm at some time in history and we have become so accustomed to all the politeness expected nowadays in many aspects of our lives. Anyone seen a MD, CE, when things aren't going well in a company, that is something to watch!

montymops - they are not elected so they can be totally independent and impartial.

Could you please make up your mind- was this decision by the Judges re our Sovereign constitution and basic Democratic principles of Parliamentary Democracy - or just about Brexit and Johnson?

In reply to the matter of casting aspersions on the Supreme Court - may I say that now that unelected judges are making political decisions, when can I expect to exercise my right to vote for them? I can only conclude that the highest court in the land can no longer be trusted to be impartial observers of political decisions.

Elegran has spoken well and with sense in her posts. Boris has never had anyone say no to him, that was how he was brought up with a strong sense of entitlement.

He doesn't answer questions, he just slings insult left right and centre and try to bulldoze everyone out of the way. Bribing the people of the country with I will do this that and the other, can you trust him? No. He is displaying all the makings of dictator and we should be afraid.

JC has come out well in all this speaking well and acting in a professional way. He would certainly could prove to be a far better person to lead this country with his calm and measured way than the rampaging dictator.