The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

Thank you

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for saying what all decent people feel at the moment, whatever their view on Brexit. I am sure that many Conservatives feel just the same too.

Standard tactic when in the wrong, Jura - ignore the question and attack the questioner.

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Watch the tactic- he totally ignores the question and goes on the rampage. So, what was the answer do you think? And should we allow our Government to abuse their power to indoctrinate our school children and approving his policies? This is sick and so so wrong:

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If you really want to offer congratulations and share the joy it might be better to start a separate thread where more people will see it, as opposed to prefacing it with a comment about twisted undies and burying it in a thread about Brexit that has a limited audience

I don't think dictators actually start out with the thought, "I think I shall start working towards a dictatorship tomorrow! How shall I set about it? I know, at first I will . . ."

What probably happens is that they see a "gap in the market" that they feel they could fill. There may be a need for changes in the country, or a key post falls vacant, or they have novel ideas which are not being accepted by traditional routes.

So they campaign for what they want, first at a low level then getting higher and higher as they persuade others to join them, back them for a political position, lobby for the changes they would like and so on.

If there is something that a disillusioned population latches onto, a keen orator with powers of persuasion can rise on a tide of fervour to dizzy heights. Opposition is dismissed as "enemies of the people" and when the ambitious climber has some power, he replaces all the officials he can with others who sympathise with his cause and back his legislation and his other appointments, while those who resist are sidelined, or their reputations blackened by a servile or partisan press.

Gradually the "champion of the people against the establishment" becomes the establishment himself, but with a background of ruthlessness, dirty work, and disdain for the humdrum processes of democracy that he has defeated.

In a genuine democracy where everyone contributes a little to governing, the job of every member is to be alert for the beginnings of such an nsidious rise. It is often said that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. If we abdicate the use of vigilance, we will eventuallt pay the price.

Growstuff
Oh dear, how sad that amongst the doom and gloom just one moment can't be found to offer our congratulations.

Missdeke, I refer you to my response upthread to JohnD at 11.18.

grow your comment on the bigger picture is spot on.

Like it or not the majority of the votes in 2016 were to leave the EU

And now the majority want to stay (if the opinion polls are to be believed). Perhaps her form of democracy - ie recognising that change and putting the vote back to the people - just doesn't chime with yours?

Sorry, on the birth.

sarahellenwhitney I expect there are threads in Chat for that kind of thing. Leave those who care to get their knickers in a twist!

You have a point, but it's not really relevant to the behaviour in the HoC yesterday.

Hi GrannyGravy While others are getting there undies in a twist over Boris let me congratulate you over the birth of your grandson .

I was thoroughly ashamed of our parliament after yesterday's scenes, but I am absolutely incensed by Jo Swinson announcing that should she become Prime Minister she would revoke Article 50. I thought she was a Liberal Democrat, where in her announcement does democracy come in. Probably the most un-Democratic statement made. Like it or not the majority of the votes in 2016 were to leave the EU.

tickingbird What kind of "new political order" to you envisage? That's exactly the kind of thing the Nazis said and neo-Nazis still say.

People need to be aware that this is about more than leaving the EU. There really are people who want a "new political order" and they see the EU as a barrier.

But … but … but Johnson claimed that prorogation wasn't political! How can a judgment about it be considered political?

Do the people saying they don't agree with the judgment have legal training?

Posters don't litter every thread with references to Nazi Germany, but it's very disturbing when some posters really don't understand - or choose not to see - the parallels.

In 1932/33, people in Germany couldn't look into the future. Hitler and the other Nazis didn't spell out what they intended. In fact, there are academics who have been through all Hitler's speeches to find clues, which should have been a warning. There aren't many. People were complacent and trusted the "strong" man whom they thought would lead them out of the national crisis.

People who ignore the parallels are as guilty as the government.

The Supreme Court judges are sworn to interpret and administer JUSTICE as it is defined by legislation and precedent, whatever their personal political views.

Casting aspersions on their impartiality is leading towards Herr Hitler's actions, when he fired all the justices (who were blocking him) and replaced them with Nazis. Then he made sure that laws were passed which made his actions legal.

Hysteria rules again I see. ‘Traumatised’?? What tosh. You’ll be traumatised if Corbyn gets in and you suddenly find this once great country transported back in time to East Germany before the wall came down. As Abraham Lincoln said “you don’t help the poor by destroying the rich”.

All this trouble because certain people are determined that Brexit won’t happen. I believe it will and there’ll be a new political order once it’s all done and dusted.

Johnson doesn't care about the result of the election, only aout it successfully tying up time so that the subject of Brexit can no longer be discussed. He is devious. He is also stuck in the same mindset that he apparently had at school, when he was unwilling to accept criticism for not doing work that he was supposed to have completed - he doesn't like to be told that he is wrong.

Can’t see what all the fuss is about - silly MPs getting hot under the collar - I do not agree with the judgement of the Supreme Court either - I am not a particular fan of Boris- but how do we know the political sympathies of any of the judges? What motive can be attributed to Gina Miller and John Major? John Major supposedly prorogued Parliament to prevent questions about Cash for questions. What a hypocrite! Boris is an easy target because he’s a populist and flamboyant- how do we know what he said to the Queen - these MPs are behaving like hysterical children - it makes me wonder what quality of men and women we have got representing us - these fools must have crawled in under the EU umbrella where they didn’t have to make any major decisions- Neville Chamberlain prorogued Parliament for nearly 2 months just before the outbreak of WW2. Brexit is important- I am a Remainer but I believe in democracy- how this word is bandied about now - I don’t think people seem to know what it means! - the country voted to leave by a small majority and that is what we should do. Simples says the meerkat - well - ha ha to that -

oh and hope you feel better today x

I watched on House of Commons live

I was poorly last night and didn't watch any TV...what station was it on and has anyone got a link to it please?