The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

So, what was alluded to on Question Time last night, and which Cleverly squirmed not to respond to- is becoming clear.

How devious... and clever, à la Cummings/Cox. Time for Gina and others to step up the mark again- and for HRH to stop agreeing to play in their villain game. B*s......s.

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After flouncing in Luxembourg he's been dubbed 'The Incredible Sulk'!

I thought our PM was the Hulk!

So he's prepared for 100,000 angry Remain voters?

This is from the Times-re potential violence on the streets. Don't believe me if you want- but pretending that very nasty forces are not preparing, is just folly and putting your head in the sand. Johnson uses inflammatory language, then pretends to call for calm- whilst continuing to use inflammatory language... Nasty forces are being whipped up. Believe it... or not.

'Despite the prime minister’s appeal for calm, a cabinet minister told The Times: “In this country we never had the gilets jaunes or the LA riots [in 1992]. People don’t think it’s possible in this country just because it has not happened before. Now they have a model — gilets jaunes — they have encrypted phones to co-ordinate it, and it only takes a couple of nasty populist frontmen to inspire people.”

The minister highlighted Mr Johnson’s warning in the Commons that there would be a “catastrophic loss of confidence in our political system” if Britain failed to leave. “If we have a referendum with 30 million people who vote, and we vote Remain by 66 per cent, that’s ten million people who are unhappy,” they said.

“Even if 99 per cent of them shrug it off, that’s still 100,000 really angry people who will write to their MP and not let it go. It doesn’t take much and soon you have tens of thousands of people on the street.”'

Aha! So it's non-EU immigrants you object to?

FYI Immigration from outside the EU (whether or not via A EU country) are subject to immigration controls and don't have Freedom of Movement.

Next please!

The most run down area that I know of personally are not full of EU workers but people from other ethnic groups.
Just because they are from other ethnic groups does not mean they did not arrive from the EU.

I have the greatest admiration for hardworking migrants who contribute to our society, but unfortunately there are also a lot who do not fit that description, whether here legally or not.

I think that your memory is playing you false, Chestnut.

Well, this is weird. The North East, which voted most heavily for leave, has the fewest EU-born migrants. So where exactly are these ghettos?

Any more ways the EU has affected your daily life?

As for the EU - do you not remember Cameron trying to negotiate with them time and time again but to no avail.

No, Chestnut, I do not and neither will members of the UK public who still have regard for truth and accuracy.

What Cameron achieved with his negotiations (which cannot by any stretch of the imagination be described as taking place 'time and time again') is recorded here, in Hansard. The true record of Parliamentary proceedings:

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Scroll down to Cameron's statement and see what the truth looks like.

Shabby, run down areas of this country are the result of austerity cuts, not the EU (that plough far more money into deprived area than central government ever will). The most run down area that I know of personally are not full of EU workers but people from other ethnic groups.

Next ...

How many areas are those Chestnut? Not many places have "EU ghettoes". In fact, I personally don't now any.

utter stupidity and negligence in the Tory Party have brought Britain into the ever deepening crisis it now faces
You forgot to add the words 'in my opinion......'.

Chestnut, in regard to your post @12:00 today, the reason why the European Union were unable to grant to David Cameron the conditions he demanded was for the simple fact that what he was asking for transgressed the treaties that Britain had signed jointly with all other EU member states.

The Tory negotiators then continued with the same demands for more than two years in the formal leave negotiations which again could never be granted by the EU commission.

Self interest and Stupidity in the Tory party has brought the United Kingdom to the constitutional, political and rapidly developing commercial crisis it faces now.

As stated, utter stupidity and negligence in the Tory Party have brought Britain into the ever deepening crisis it now faces, and no other body

Amagran.. my answer to your question is no I don’t think Johnson’s supporters are worried about his behaviour re court decision. Haven’t read all the posts here too many... but my understanding of the ones I have read ,bring to mind a great saying of my granny. ‘Two wrongs don’t make a right’. That was drummed into us as children. Until the moderate colleagues of Mr Johnson speak up and I know some of them have he’ll justify his actions and language continuously. What really tells me a lot is his family are voicing their concerns.
And I get the impression they are worried about where he’ll take this country.

I don't remember that. I remember Cameron going to the EU, negotiating some concessions, which were hardly reported by the media.
Well I do remember.

What does the EU control which affects your life on a day to day basis?
Well for a start I see neighbourhoods which were once pleasant, tidy and well-maintained now turned into shabby, run-down areas as a direct result of free movement of people. You cannot deny this has happened.

What does the EU control which affects your life on a day to day basis?

I don't remember that. I remember Cameron going to the EU, negotiating some concessions, which were hardly reported by the media.

We had huge rebates, and we were uniquely allowed to keep Sterling as our currency, and not be part of Schengen. We did have very very special terms- and yet, a centre seat at the top table.

Grandad1943 - the crisis we are in now is caused by those who are seeking to stop Brexit happening. As for the EU - do you not remember Cameron trying to negotiate with them time and time again but to no avail. People were not happy with our relationship with the EU but they would not make any concessions which is why he was forced to hold a referendum. They were in control and that was the problem.

Both Johnson and Trump are following "great man" theory.

Shakespeare said "some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em" what he missed was that some should just accept they are not great they are liars and bullies and get out of the way for a reasonable person to take over.

Chestnut Quote [From what we've seen in the past the EU is much more of a dictatorship than Boris could ever be.] End Quote.

Chestnut, the European Union is not a dictatorship as it has the European Parliament to which we elect the British delicates. It also has a council of ministers for each major industry or European interest that are attended by the comparative minister from each European member state who decide on issues by majority vote. There is also the European Commission which acts as the civil service for the above in carrying out their decisions.

While in membership of the above structure Britain became the fifth largest economy in the world by way of having access to the open free market that the European Union provides. When we have had grievances with other member states or the overall structure of the EU we have been able to voice those grievances in the EU parliament or through those various councils of ministers for resolution.

So, in the above Chestnut, please inform me how the European Union has acted "like a dictatorship" as I feel your quoted words could well have been taken from any of the right wing tabloid newspapers that have contributed so much in bringing this country into the crisis it faces now.

Boris Johnson is, I strongly suspect, an admirer and acolyte of Donald Trump.

Both are utter buffoons but because of their powerful positions they are frighteningly dangerous. They certainly both firmly believe they are above any law.

Grandad1943 - it was obvious there would be civil unrest if Brexit is not delivered. What do you expect? They are not keeping their promise to the voters, many of whom voted for the first time in the belief that their vote counted.

People complain when we have a weak leader, and they complain when we have a strong leader. From what we've seen in the past the EU is much more of a dictatorship than Boris could ever be.