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The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

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Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 01:35:09

We have a Prime Minister who suspends Parliament for 5 weeks at a time of national crisis in order to allow him to pursue a minority policy, and who then forcefully declares that the 11 Justices of the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in the country, are wrong.

My Concise Oxford Dictionary defines a dictator as a ruler with (often usurped) unrestricted authority. It defines usurp as seize or assume (a throne or power etc.) wrongfully.

I feel that we have crossed a line on to a very slippery slope.
Do supporters of Johnson not feel just a teeny bit worried?

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:32:40

The world is watching - so is the EU sad

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:31:31

quizqueen- evidence please.

Just feel sick -seeing/hearing Farage's 'Party' political broadcast.

Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:28:41

Madgran77, the majority of people do not want a no-deal Brexit.

quizqueen Thu 26-Sept-19 18:28:14

All the judges were Remainers so their decision must, of course, have been a fair one!!!!!

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:26:05

If the horse had been drugged and the race rigged, for sure, especially if it won by 0.05 of a second.

It was perfectly natural for women politicians, who are scared NOW by the violence is being unleashed in the country, particularly on women politicians and their families- to mention what happened to their friend and colleague. It was hugely wrong to ignore and mock- and 'humbug' the comment and refuse to take it on board- and even worse, whip up more with dreadful language.

NO EXCUSE.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:26:01

* meant to say campaigned, not voted. She was murdered a week before the referendum.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:23:10

Totally agree with you Riponian42

I think Boris is determined to get us out.

I watched the MP’s in Parliament yesterday.

Remainers heard Boris (about Jo Cox) and thought ‘hang on, that’s bloody disrespectful as she voted to Remain in the EU so wouldn’t want Brexit done in her name’.

I (as a Leaver) heard Boris and thought ‘yes, a fitting tribute to say she, above all people, would have wanted DEMOCRACY to triumph’.

We hear what we want to hear I suppose.
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Hattiehelga Thu 26-Sept-19 18:17:57

Labaik, if the result had been accepted an orderly exit would have long since been achieved.I am not suggesting you are a gambler but if you bet on a horse to win and it lost, would you demand a re-run ? I deplore the violence as much as anyone and I repeat, it was inappropriate to bring Jo Cox into the argument especially, as you point out, her death was unrelated to Brexit.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:15:53

JRM supporter sites have been saying today the only thing for Jo Swinson to wear is a bullet between her eyes. Lots of likes, reported, FB does nothing- and JRM is keeping well away. Far Right extremism being whipped up to an even more frenzy. Very worrying, and those who really do worry about this are certainly not 'hysterical'.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:01:40

So why is negativity resulting in violence, pray tell? How dare you blame remainder for what is happening. And, I'll remind you that Jo Cox was murdered before the referendum....

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:00:36

@RachelSJohnson wonders, on #wato, whether this incendiary stuff coming from her brother could be:

1) from Cummings;

2) from her brother himself; or

➡3) from "people who have invested billions in shorting the £... in the expectation of a #NoDealBrexit"

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:57:32

Day6- I am afraid we must be reading different threads. Again and again, some of us have been asking for real answers, real and factual argument/s- re the Laws which we have not helped to formulate, and we have had replies about bent bananas, and nonsense. We have asked politely, again and again- for facts that the Yellowhammer and expert research re consequences were not factual, and we have been told that we could grow vegetables and that the Dunkirk spirit would prevail.

If responses given make no sense, and have been shown to be nonsense- people will say so. Give me good quality EVIDENCE and facts - and I and others will respond accordingly.

As for cheering Johnson when he lies to HRH, and leaves the House in a huff because he does not have any answers, and when he has clearly stated he will break the Sovereign Law of this Sovereign Country- then you have truly lost the plot, and certainly, the argument. 'We want our own Laws back' 'which ones' hmm hmmm bent bananas'. Johnson clearly intends to break our Sovereign Law - oh good, we will cheer him on.

And you are surprise that we don't go with it? Really.

janipat Thu 26-Sept-19 17:47:24

Day6 you applaud Johnson for storming out and saying he will not obey the law. Do you think he should be punished if he does indeed break the law? If not, what laws can we, the public, now break with impunity?

westendgirl Thu 26-Sept-19 17:46:46

!Dont forget those Tories who voted against Theresa May's deal, the ERG and the Prime Minister, to name a few .

newnanny Thu 26-Sept-19 17:42:12

A very good point @Baggs.

Hattiehelga Thu 26-Sept-19 17:40:29

No Labaik, it's the Remainers' refusal to accept the majority vote who have caused all the negativity.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:35:54

In 1933 when Hitler came to power, Germany didn't have death camps or the Nuremberg Laws - both came later when the dictatorship was established.

However, repellent anyone finds a comparison between Johnson and Hitler, Franco might actually be a better comparison, but there is little choice in rotten apples, none of the dictators of the 20th century started out, outwardly at least, as the atrocious people they finished up as, but all started by taken liberties with democracy, which both Johnson and Trump are also doing.

Probably, Nazi Germany never would have become the atrocious chapter in world history that it did, if right-minded German men and women ( the majority of the population, in other words) had realised in 1933 how dangerous Hitler would become.

It is at the beginning that there is a chance of stopping a dictator. Later on, it will be too late.

Day6 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:35:38

It is brexit that has unleashed all of this

I think you'll find it is REMAIN voters who cannot accept the result of a referendum that's caused all this.

Imagine how peaceful it would be now if we'd decided to leave the EU instead of negotiate with Brussels - after telling them No Deal was off the table. Remainer May has a lot to answer for too. And we continue to send Brussels billons of taxpayers money while all this is going on.

The EU is desperate for our funding to continue.

How we admire (not!) the Remain MPs who in siding with Brussels, and not the UK have caused this mess. hmm

Day6 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:31:05

And he just walked out of the House, despite being asked to remain, by the Speaker. And was clearly heard saying that he would NOT obey the Law

And millions and millions of the electorate cheered him on, Jura! Hate to say it. grin

(Console yourself that Remainers had whooped with joy that wealthy Gina Miller paid for courts to intervene...you had your moment.)

Boris banged up in jail. That would be an excellent protest. It used to happen in places like Soviet Russia.

The country is rallying behind him. The people who went out to vote - you remember that old democratic thing we do in the UK - one person, one vote. More wanted to leave the EU than remain.

If you think those people will quietly accept what our dead and selfish parliament is doing, and roll over and die, you are very mistaken.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 17:27:19

Jess Phillips office has been under attack; Anna Soubry is still having to run the gauntlet of abuse. It is brexit that has unleashed all of this.

newnanny Thu 26-Sept-19 17:27:17

Conservatives are sadly the only party in parliament trying to respect the vote of 17.4 million people to Leave EU. Lib Dems would revoke and Labour would offer Remain v a Leave deal deal that remained in CU and SM so Remain or Remain really.
It is crystal clear that Corbyn is refusing to have GE as he knows he will lose not just election but his heartlands in North and Londoners who will go Lib Dem.

49% of poll now wants to leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal. Boris does have a mandate to leave EU.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 17:24:29

JRM did actually say in the house that the level of abuse aimed at his family was very low compared to what some people are experiencing. He did, however, appear to be sniggering when Johnson was uttering his humbug' comment.

Day6 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:23:39

Most good, honest leave posters have either left the site or read without responding because the same five or six hard line remainers cannot debate and resort to personal attack

Thank you Joelsnan

This is indeed what is happening. There are one or two posters who greet my posts with nothing more than derision, with personal attacks. Always. I shan't name them. They know who they are.

They want to shut down Leavers and any discussion and so attack the poster, not the post. They hate having their Remain bubble burst.

I say I shan't bother any more, but I carry on. Not for much longer, I don't think. I am in contact with many former Leave voting posters who say it's not worth the effort.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:19:45

Joelsnan - again and again, sensible questions have been asked of Leavers here, politely - but there are never ever any answers that make any sense, apart from empty rhetoric like 'we want to get our Laws back' (but never ever one single example that is correct) or stuff like 'because' and 'project fear'.

Today Jess Phillips asked Boris why he refused to answer her questions in the House- when in the lobby. He huffed and puffed and uttered unpleasant nonsense- and yes, she did get cross. This afternoon, a man tried to smash the windows of her office, threatening staff, and police had to be called.

And Tony Robinson Yaxley whatever, and our sweet Katie Hopkins, have been all over the internet and TV congratulating Johnson for his words and actions.

And he just walked out of the House, despite being asked to remain, by the Speaker. And was clearly heard saying that he would NOT obey the Law.

willa45 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:18:32

Reading the comments on this thread, how not to notice all the eerily similar, troubling circumstances on both sides of the pond? Can we presume these men are here by actual design?

As I speak, we have a President who has committed treasonable offenses and may have in fact impeached himself!

History will tell us if there are to be dire consequences to be faced. Dare I hope that the world can slowly and surely be turned right side up again.