Why are "Leavers" so angry?

The doorbell rang in the middle of typing a post and it got posted too soon by mistake. It should have read "They say that they considered carefully before voting, but many don't seem to have looked at the ^sources of what they assume are facts. Often, these can be traced back to something quite different to what the media have reported gleefully.

I think it’s a case of leavers not having anything to prove, whilst remainers are constantly on the hunt for facts and figures ( not always accurate!) for something to show how awful life will be outside the EU.
There is plenty to read ( if wanted) either online or from books without the copious links to (partisan) articles or pundits from either side.

No, Urmstongran I didn't mean "left" I meant what I said, as I always do, and I said "even"handed.

I t is true though, Lemongrove - whenever a real fact is posted, or a link to a primary source for something that has been misunderstood by those who want to leave, there is a deafening silence from 99% of them. They say that they considered carefully before voting, but wear However, rants and rages go back and forth freely and with gusto.

If you like, jura

Once we’ve implemented the result of the first one of course!

Actually wasn’t a second referendum one of the indicative votes that was voted down by MP’s? It really really isn’t going to happen you know. But I daresay, deep down you do realise you’re hoping against hope there.

It’s all too late now people.

We leave in 33 days.

Our Sovereing Laws are hyperbole? Really?

Social media that goes in for that sort of thing? I can assure you I don't. But young friends commenting on Johnson's language and 'humbug' response over last few days - have been mocked and threatened themselves- by 'normal' people, mainly men but not exclusively. And that is of huge concern, that these sorts of comments are not uttered by far right extremists from Yaxley's gang, EDL of BF - but mainstream. Because this is what has been unleashed.

Stay off any social media site that goes in for that sort of thing I would say jura, nobody is forcing us to be on there.

Indeed, let's move on- and allow a second Referendum on the current situation.

Did you mean ‘left’ Elegran!

No, not bigotry jura ... just hyperbole.

Yes Elegran unfortunately you have just negated any even handedness at all.Pity.

jura I don't suppose anyone will respond as to the legality of the Referendum in our Law, sadly.

What good would it do now, 3 years on? If the government weren’t bothered and the opposition didn’t pull them up on it - let’s move on. Parliament obviously have!

One young friend of mine, an ex student- was mocked and goaded over last few days on FB on the subject. It was quite upsetting, and she posted this:

'People have shocked me in the past three years but I think no more than in the last few days, so I just want to say this please.

If you think it’s okay to threaten to kill people, or rape people, or abduct and kill their children, please could you take yourself off my friends list. Because I genuinely don’t know what to say to you.

That’s all I want to say, I won’t be replying to any comments.'

That is so sad- she has two young daughters, and she is scared for their future. 1 of them on life saving medication on the list of drugs that will be difficult to obtain if No Deal.

Bigotry?

Sticking to facts or sensible predictions by everyone would be a good improvement.

Now I'll go on to spoil the even-handedness of my opening sentence by adding that most of those who voted left don't seem to be all that good at producing facts and reliable links, or even recognising a fact when it is backed up by solid source material.

What a lot of bigotry on this thread. Don't bother to reply as I won't be reading any more.

Ah but I do realise trisher and always have done, but people lashing out at leave voters instead of MPs, government, Parliament as a whole etc is frankly unfair and childish.
Am not saying that you do this, but plenty on GN do, and in the nastiest way too, at times.

I don't suppose anyone will respond as to the legality of the Referendum in our Law, sadly.

May I say that another reason Remainers are 'angry'- is that they have seen really dreadful comments, both in the House and in the Press and Social Media- demonising women, and especially women MPs - who are scared for themselves and their loved ones, including their children- because of repeated threats. And that those fears and threats have been dismissed as 'humbug' by the PM in the House - and that he has been getting huge support from many, including women, and from the Far Right for this. Which is appalling and truly scary.

british cars and spare tyres. Only 8% of new cars have full-size spare tyres, but 30% have space-saver ones. Here is an article on Money-saver about it, listing the ones that do and don't - so you can choose whether to buy a car with a full-size fifth wheel, a skinny one, or just a can of gunge.
www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5744497/Just-38-Britains-new-cars-come-spare-wheel.html
"What Car? said the move away from spare wheels has gathered pace in the last decade for two main reasons: repair kits take up less space and are lighter, thus better for fuel economy and keeping vehicle emissions as low as possible - and they're cheaper.

The motoring magazine said: 'A tyre repair kit costs around £20, whereas a space-saver spare wheel could cost £100.

'So, by providing repair kits as standard and charging extra for a spare wheel, car makers can also make a profit out of this practice.'

Keeping emissions low is for the benefit of those breathing the air where cars have passed, and the atmosphere as a whole, not specifically the EU, and fuel economy is good for every motorist - but the EU makes a good whipping boy.

Lots of unpleasant goading on here about leavers.

I expect that's why they get angry, just the same as every single other thread.

I am really not sure that what we have seen on here is real anger. It is more as if someone is happy to be seen as extreme. Perhaps feeling aggression, rather than anger scores points in their world.

So pleased to brighten your day lemon. It is just a pity that you don't realise how upset, worried and concerned those who voted to Remain really are. And what we have from Leavers is a lot of hot air and anger with no solutions to the very real problems the present situations brings and no reasons about why they voted as they did.

MaizieD it is not about posters ‘cheering her on’ but more dislike of seeing a new poster being mocked/goaded with remarks about mental health that is upsetting ( Gracesgran merely thinks leavers are all drunks!)

In that case jura....don’t go ahead and vote for the Lib Dems, they don’t allow any choice at all!

trisher...your post at09.38.39 your last line gave me the first smile of the morning (singularly understanding to leavers!)?

Varian

GGMK3 post of 17.23 27/09 “so all leavers are drunks that explains a great deal”

I don't know if it's true or not that you can't buy a new car with a proper spare tyre any more (Started trying to Google it last night, but found nothing)

I've googled it this morning. Here's a page of search results, all saying that many new cars have no spare tires (sic). Most of the results are from US sites; I doubt very much if they are conforming to an EU directive!

duckduckgo.com/?q=new+car%2C+no+spare+tyre%2C+eu&t=chromentp&ia=web

If it is in any way insulting, disrespectful, ignorant, etc. to check on the truth of unevidenced statements then our newest poster is in for a hard time because that is just what Remainers will do.

Perhaps the Leavers cheering her on might reflect that posting a barrage of untruths and then getting annoyed when the facts are pointed out does not in any way convince us that leaving the EU is a good idea.