Why are "Leavers" so angry?

Let me remind you of the title to this thread Maizie. It says "Why are leavers so angry?". if you ask about anger then expect it to contain with the reasons the anger that is created.

Shutting down views because you do not like them is the refuge of those who have lost the argument. Escalating an argument in the manner you are - suggesting incitement where there is none, is equally a way to play thought police.

If you dont want to know, dont ask the question. I was on topic.

Riot inciter?

It's very on-topic at the moment. I think the government is keen to get a few violent demos going; just as a little warning that opposition to Brexit will not be tolerated.

OMG I haven’t commented on this thread as I was busy having a life, but a quick glance at the above tirade(s) and being called infantile, deeply stupid and uneducated jumped out at me - If that isn’t an example of an angry spittle- flecked offensive sweeping generalised insult I don’t know what is.

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Why are 'Remainers' so angry? That's a far better question!

That is a good question because most of them are but dont like to see it back at them.

A better question would be why are they so determined to ver throw the majority vote by any means they can find? If they are so correct in their thinking why do they find it necessary to insult others rather than dealing with the points? Why do they gloat over the loss of freedom of speech and democracy just because it gets them the results they want? Why can they never understand that many, the majority do not agree with them and finally, why are they so frightened that they have to close down any opposition to their views by any means they can including having people warned and and possibly removed? Why cant they accept others have feelings and views too and that those should in a place of equality get equal recognition and voice?

Those are the questions that have to be asked but remainers wont anser them, they just first belittle ( by suggesting such people are not real or are some kind of bot - really? But if said the same, they would have me deleted) and then have any oppostion to their world bubble removed.

But of course that is always how the left works. Shut down those who oppose by removing their right to speak and then getting them "disappeared " - and those on gransnet ( and grandpa's) must have been around long enough to have seen that happening across the world over their lifetimes. I would even bet that in their youth they would have protested for the disappeared in other countries . So much for their liberal and tolerant views.

You can have an opinion as long as it is mine is the remainers motto.

So which of you sneaks and anti democratic remainers is so like your HoC counterparts had to report me? Cant stand robust debate . Like the bubble you live in and dont want to know how others outside of it might feel. If it werent so typical of you, I would be ashamed if I were you. Just shows what you are like.

Why are 'Remainers' so angry? That's a far better question!

Jura2 It was 39billion at end of March and if we had transition until Dec 2020. 6 months has passed since End of March and we have paid another 6 billion since then so less now £33. If we leave without transition period we only owe up to end of Dec and pensions money. New 5 year budget money round comes into effect then and we have not signed up for that if we leave on Oct 31st with no transition period. If we stay after Jan 1st we get trapped into paying out another budget round of 5 years and as our economy grown more than most EU countries i think it is 18 billion each year gross instead of the 12 billion gross we pay now. Remainers know this and just want to wrap us for another 5 years.

Oh my!

Just sitting down with my Friday night, looked-forward-to, bottle of wine, and thought I'd pop in to see how this post is going.

So much rudeness, anger and personal insults, and - dare I say - hatred from some posters?

(Johnson has been accused by Amber Rudd of inciting violence by his language. She needs to come here and have a look at some of these posts! Johnson's a pussy-cat in comparison.)

Stop it, ladies! Don't say things here that you wouldn't say to somebody in person, just because you think you're anonymous.

Not all posters, of course. (You know who you are ...!)

We can disasgree, but please keep a degree of politeness and decency in your posts.

The reason Leavers are so angry is that Theresa May wasted 3 years putting together a Withdrawal Agreement with her Remainer negotiator pal, Olly Robins, which actually meant the UK only pretended to leave the EU. If you take the time to read it you will understand that.

Now, they are concerned that any 2nd Referendum may give them the choice between that deal, jiggled around a bit by Boris, or remaining. So not leaving the EU, whichever way you vote. Just to remind, you folks, Remain in the EU actually lost the vote in 2016.

I don't think Leavers are angry

Have you read Abby's really insulting posts? I think that is a prime example of how some Leavers enjoy their anger.

Am I right in thinking that it means that Member States don't have to do those things?

Having thought about it, I assume it does, which would fit with what I copied and pasted earlier:
There is a misconception that state pension age equalisation was required under European law. In fact, there was a specific derogation for state pensions in Council Directive (EEC) 79/7 on the progressive implementation of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in matters of social security.

abbey if he/ she is not a bot, is a very disturbed person, who would perhaps be happier posting with kindred spirits on brexitcentral.

I don't think Leavers are angry. Obviously all the people I know and some I don't know very well are Remainers. However I am not afraid of Leavers. If I were an MP I would be afraid of rowdies who are enchanted by cross people's slogans.

abbey
For you ?????????????

I struggle with some legal wording. What does the sentence above it mean - This Directive shall be without prejudice to the right of Member States to exclude from its scope?

Elegran- you have obviously 'faked' those facts.

From the horse's mouth. Note Article 7 -

Council Directive 79/7/EEC of 19 December 1978 on the progressive implementation of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in matters of social security

Article 1

The purpose of this Directive is the progressive implementation, in the field of social security and other elements of social protection provided for in Article 3, of the principle of equal treatment for men and women in matters of social security, hereinafter referred to as ‘the principle of equal treatment’.

Article 2

This Directive shall apply to the working population — including self-employed persons, workers and self-employed persons whose activity is interrupted by illness, accident or involuntary unemployment and persons seeking employment — and to retired or invalided workers and self-employed persons.

Article 3

1. This Directive shall apply to:

(a) statutory schemes which provide protection against the following risks:
sickness,
invalidity,
old age,
accidents at work and occupational diseases,
unemployment;
(b) social assistance, in so far as it is intended to supplement or replace the schemes referred to in (a).
.-.-.-.-.-.

Article 7

1. This Directive shall be without prejudice to the right of Member States to exclude from its scope:

(a) the determination of pensionable age for the purposes of granting old-age and retirement pensions and the possible consequences thereof for other benefits;

(b) advantages in respect of old-age pension schemes granted to persons who have brought up children; the acquisition of benefit entitlements following periods of interruption of employment due to the bringing up of children;

(c) the granting of old-age or invalidity benefit entitlements by virtue of the derived entitlements of a wife;

(d) the granting of increases of long-term invalidity, old-age, accidents at work and occupational disease benefits for a dependent wife;

(e) the consequences of the exercise, before the adoption of this Directive, of a right of option not to acquire rights or incur obligations under a statutory scheme.

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31979L0007

Varian I agree, there is something very odd about these posts.

I believe that given the relatively calm replies you've had, the only person who is suffering because of a serious anger problem is yourself and for your own sake perhaps you should now stop.

Most of us on GN are grannies. Some are granpas.

If you are not a granny abbey are you a Russian bot?

Your posts are indeed a concern. And I am afraid, your analysis of the change in Pension age, is, factually wrong. That is a fact.

As for the massive spare tyre issue- well- no comment.
I carry spare tyre or two all the time, and that is not the fault of the EU.

Why delete it? You dont want others to realise that there is anger out there? Is that it? I dont think you have even seen the level of anger yet.

Well Grans, if she has done nothing else, Abbey has certainly proved the proposition in Trisher's original post!

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