Why are "Leavers" so angry?

trisher....you knew exactly what your OP was unleashing.
I have heard plenty of vitriol hurled at Leavers, both on GN and in real life over the last three years, but wouldn't start a thread saying so, in other words ‘lighting the blue touch paper and standing back’.
grapefruitpip can do her own research, leavers on here have given their reasons time and time again for the way they voted and what they hoped for over the last three years.

Quite stunned by the sheer rudeness and sense of entitlement shown by some on this site. Throwing insults at people who thought long and hard came to a different conclusion.

No point in stating any leave views because it just brings down a torrent of misguided insults from those who are of the opinion that only their opinion is of value.

I will keep laughing, thanks jura ....social media is so full of hysteria and OMG type reactions to absolutely everything.

Advisory?! Surely Parliament should have decided on that advice before signing article 50. Once this was signed you have to presume that Parliament had taken the advice and agreed it, why else sign up for it?! If on the other hand, at the end of the day Parliament was going to decide, why have a referendum in the first place? Trying to appear democratic
when of course you are anything but?! People now realise that they were duped and aren't too happy about it!!

Rational answers to Grapefruitpip's question is fundamental for at least some remainers to change their minds. Surely, we'd welcome some rational reasons and would definitely like to hear them. I think, having an open mind to both sides of the argument is the key to find our way out of the mess we're in. So, lets try to answer Grapefruitpip's question:-

Could anybody outline simply what they perceive as being the advantages of leaving please?

lemongrove if you can tell me which words or phrases in my post you find angry or contentious I will withdraw them. I acknowledge the toddler and meal analogy may be a bit far for some but I have been trying to find something which explains the very real abuse I have heard hurled at all sorts of people by Leavers and that seemed sort of appropriate The rest of my post is the facts of the situation, which I realise may not please some people but are not abusive or angry.

The take a chill pill message was not answering a question, difficult or otherwise SirC and jura it was a suggestion for
Angry remainers to calm down on GN ( they can still be angry in real life if they like.)

Do, please give me an intellectual reply then.

1. was the Referendum proven to be fraudulent by the Electoral Commission on several grounds?

2. Did Cameron have the right to promise that the Referendum would be implemented- when our Sovereign Laws stipulate clearly that, in the UK, all Ref are and can only ever be, adivsory (linked to question 1- as this is the reason they could not annul)

3. Were we, the People, not promised a great deal, an easy deal, the best deal and 350m a week extra fror the NHS?

4. Do we all, now, have a much much better understanding of the likely consequences of No Deal Brexit- on a huge number of hugely important issues?

5. Which Laws were imposed on us against our will by the EU, which people talk about all the time.

6. Will Deals with the USA, India, Australia, etc- be linked to poorer and possibly dangerous standards- and will they be linked to request for more immigration visas for those countries.

7. Who will be most affected by No Deal, the tycoons and the very rich, or the most vulnerable in society.

Lots more, but for now, I will leave it at this. I would be very grateful for answers. Thanks.

More intellectual than providing concrete information, joelsnan?

Why should any leaver contribute to this thread full of the same olds spewing the same old bile.
Sorry, we have more intellectual things to do ?

'Take a chill pill' is an easy response to a difficult question. It's the sort of thing my 12 year old says when he's got nothing left or can't think of anything more to say - it's not worth giving any thought time to.

Or 'The hysteria surrounding this whole dictatorship thing on GN is laughable.'

keep laughing ... and see.

The scenes in the HoC for last 2 days have been worryingly unpleasant in the extreme. Johnson is not stupid, and neither is Cummings - and they know very well what they are doing. Whipping up fear- and distracting everything so not to answer any questions. Proroguing was their tool of choice, but it backfired, quite rightly. So this is the next tactic.

The papers, especially the gutter press, owned by Brexiteer tycoon who are making billions out of this crisis, and want to continue to tax evade and stash all in Tax Havens- without new EU Laws- are threatening violence, extreme violence. They are sickenly using the most vulnerable as canon fodder to be used to whip up black mailing violence.

This is seriously worrying, in a way that has never happened in this country. Half the country pitted agaisnt the other half- colleagues, neighbours, friends, families. It is called Civil War.

Lemons' solution? 'Take a chill pill'. Beyond comprehension.

Going back to the promise of 'whatever you want for tea' analogy. Those who voted to leave were never promised "whatever you want" that just didn't have their listening ears on.

I think lots of people are aggressive and angry and always have been. Politics, like money and property can bring out the worst in people.

If I'd been a Leaver who thought we could simply opt out, clean break, just go, I'd be pretty annoyed, I guess.

I don't think anyone, politicians included, fully realized how contentious and complex it would turn out to be.

The longer it continues, the worse it is bound to become until some resolution can be found.

I am not certain that the aggression really has anything to do with Brexit or that Leavers are more prone to it than Remainers.

During our lifetime, behaviour that we were taught as children to control - anger, aggression, telling lies, using rude or obscene language or making personal remarks has become more and more usual.

Presumably it is acceptable to those who use it.

It is now common for Social Services offices to have security staff because their social workers risk being physically assaulted by their clients. Schoolteachers have chairs thrown at them by quite small children etc. etc.

Neither of my examples would have been at all likely to happen when we were children. I doubt I would have sat down for a week if I had thrown a chair at a school-teacher!

I notice no-Leaver has come back with the tequested bullet points yet..

I was mulling over to myself what these were, as surely they must expect some concrete benefits to compensate for the upheaval and possible(?) negative impact?? otherwise the words 'turkey' and 'Christmas' come to mind.

Everyone is angry it would seem.
Will we ever find peace again?

My DH used to be addicted to Jeremy Kyle who got his just desserts but now he is glued to Today in Parliament which is in fact worse. Everyone is at each other's throats and I cannot see an end to it unless we move forward - either come out of EU or revoke article 50. I am beginning to not care which.

AlltheLs and others - I think Leavers are angry because they've been lied to about the results of the referendum being implemented. Another lie by the politicians.

David Cameron was so arrogant about Remain winning that he ignored the fact that we have a representative democracy - i.e. Parliament. Parliament is the sovereign power, acting through its elected representatives. These representatives form their own opinions about the effect on Brexit - they are not delegates, mandated to follow how their constituents voted on Brexit.

It should also be remembered that it's the MPs who make the law, and new laws would have to be made if we leave the EU because the current laws would no longer apply.

David Cameron therefore shouldn't have promised that the results of the referendum would be implemented. He should have said that because the decision on whether to leave the EU would ultimately have be made by Parliament and that the results of the referendum would be advisory, as was later confirmed in a court of law.

I think everyone is angry about politicians lying, and rightly so. The Prime Minister is a past master at this and will say anything that suits him.

As for the threats of civil unrest if we don't leave - we still have the rule of law and those who wish to protest with violence will do well to remember that.

Could we also have some actual details as opposed to a vague, meaningless 'take back control' type of bullet pointed answer please?

Yes, just some bullet points will do , thanks.

Let's just agree that we have all been lied to.

Now, could someone please take up grapefruitpip's request for an explanation of the advantages of leaving the EU. I, for one, would sleep better at night if I knew what they are.

Why do we feel angry? In my case it's because Parliament are doing their very best to stymie any move to leave. In many cases the MPs involved are going against what their own constituents voted for. This is what is so wrong. Parliament should respect the referendum result and they are not doing so. It really is that simple.

You've misunderstood my post Griselda