Why are "Leavers" so angry?

.....and you would still be made welcome there today jura I don’t doubt it for a minute.

Some regions have been shown to be stastistically more Remain or Leave - fact. I find it hugely sad that Stoke is the capital of Leave- as I was made so welcome there in pre EU days, and got my British Nationality there early 73- as well as DD1 and our first house- and so many great friends.

Keep posting aprilrose

Labaik ....that’s it, insult the whole Mansfield region !

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I also congratulate aprilrose on an interesting and coherent post. I have had no experiences like yours and as a Scot feel very differently about the brexit fiasco. I voted remain and would again.
I can't help feeling that if we'd had the opportunity to read more posts like this - written without rancour and ranting but giving lucid examples of just how her area has been positively or negatively affected, then brexit posts generally might have been less confrontational and bitter.
I may not agree with you but I do respect your calm clarity.

growstuff
Pray explain how the female part-time workers earn as much as a full-time worker. I'd love to know because I've been through the rules on benefits and it's really not that easy.

I was wondering that myself. Thank you for asking.

Remainers have been upset/angry etc for over 3 years. However we're now told that there will be civil unrest if brexit doesn't happen. Doesn't that prove that remainder are, in general, a pretty peaceful lot. By the way, isn't Mansfield and it's surrounding area BNP central?

I read the original post with mounting disbelief.
Parliament agreed before and after the referendum to honour the result of the vote in which the majority voted to leave; quite simple.
Since then, people who voted to remain have done everything in their power to overturn a democratic vote, led by members of Parliament who have refused to accept, I repeat, the result of a democratic vote.
We have waited patiently for three and a half years for the result to be honoured, during that time being repeatedly sneered at, mocked, belittled and dishonoured.
The result seems to be that we will be tied ever more firmly to a corrupt, unaccountable. undemocratic, ever-expanding EU empire, in which we will become a department, department 11, I believe, a vassal state.
The original poster's professed lack of comprehension of the motivation of Leavers comes as no surprise; fifth columnists who conspire to undermine their own country from within in favour of a foreign power have little understanding of those who honour their country.

libra What is your expertise in exchange rates to justify your optimism?

Pray explain how the female part-time workers earn as much as a full-time worker. I'd love to know because I've been through the rules on benefits and it's really not that easy.

Immigration figures for 1918? I didn't realise that the UK was in the EU in 1918.

In what way does the EU behave as a dictator?

Newspaper accounts have been filtered through the brain of a journalist or editor, and are very much secondary sources

Well tell us something new.

I am not quite sure what your point is Elegran given the gist of my post was why Leave voters (and GN posters) do not (for various reasons) feel a burning need to respond to the demand that we answer Remainer questions.

Both Remainers and Leavers quote from biased sources, and our opinions can not be facts, unless we quote from facts, and even then, for example, the 'facts' compiled by civil servants in the Yellowhammer report aren't facts and can be disputed. They may be primary sources but they can be questioned and scrutinised and found to be misleading.

It is a minefield.

I am not sure who uses Facebook as a font of all wisdom? I think most of us interested in political matters are old enough and wise enough to assess and question what we read.

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elegran I’m following you around on different threads.

All excellent

Excellent post libra10. ??. Hear! Hear! (probably spelt wrong!! ☹️)

Day6 If you read a Fact or follow a link to a primary source, then it is not an "argument to be countered", it is a solid fact or a quote from the horse's mouth, which needs either to have another, opposite, fact found or an opposite primary source quoted which contradicts the one posted.

I have several times quoted EU directives on Gransnet threads, which clarify the reality behind popular and much myths. I have never seen a post by anyone claiming that I was mistaken in quoting them, that the poster had a better quote from another, better primary source, but neither have I ever seen a post to say "Oh! is that what they REALLY said, I thought they had said XXXXX".

In case anyone has never heard of a primary source, it is the original document, such as a registration form on which a birth, marriage or death has been entered, a signed and witnessed will, the official text of a Parliamentary Act or other instrument of government, and similar documents.

Newspaper accounts have been filtered through the brain of a journalist or editor, and are very much secondary sources. Facebook posts from anonymous shares come even further down the hierarchy of importance as sources.

Great posts aprilrose and Day6. I have given up posting because of the perpetual baying, anger and the belittling language of those who can’t respect that not everyone’s opinions are the same as theirs.

I’ve read of remainers who say that the UK is in danger of becoming a dictatorship- well that’s what we’re going to have when we hand everything over to the EU, we’ll be paying handsomely for being told what to do and how and when we can do it, by some unelected self serving bureaucrats, without our having any input whatsoever.

As my mother would have said “^some of you need your head read^”

Day6 The Leavers lost back in 1975 when 67% on a 64% turnout voted to stay in the EU. Sine then Farage and his ilk have been campaigning for us to leave. So, please tell me why Remainers shouldn't continue to campaign to try to stay?

I think that 67% is a tad larger than 52%, don't you?

Thanks for replying trisher, by the way my way of spelling 'bigoted' is correct, if you care to check the dictionary. Just thought I would mention it as you and others seem to think those who voted leave are less intelligent.
However, regarding the Northern Ireland problem, I have to confess that I havent a clue how it can be resolved. I am sure though that if all the politicians and judiciary who are currently working for the 'remain' side, worked as hard on this issue as keeping the UK in the EU, something credible could be sorted!
Regarding your comments - 'in the event of a no deal Brexit, Rickard argued that many industries would suffer but agriculture would feel the most serious economic shock...' My family live in a farming area, and they say how some of the EU subsidies are being 'milked' - to pardon the pun. Fences are being built which are not needed, along with other unnecessary work.
You don't seem interested in how EU policies have decimated fishing areas in the UK and Scotland, you only use so called facts to suit your own purpose -- to remain! There are plans in place for the UK government to offer subsidies to farmers on leaving the EU.
growstuff - 'Genuinely interested in your reasons for thinking the pound will recover against the Euro and the dollar.' As you know, the contentious issue of Brexit is currently depressing the value of our currency. When - if ever! - the issue is resolved, I am confident that the pound will regain its true value, unlike the euro, which with several member states on the brink of bankruptcy, will always suffer crises.
Also your lower immigration figures for 1918 were - as you must know - due to the UK's decision to leave the EU. I agree about immigration from other parts of the world. They will probably not alter.
jura2 Your comments about the abusive comments posted to certain people is despicable. But please do not 'tar us all with the same brush'. Most leavers are reasonable, ordinary people who may feel bitterly disappointed by all the shenanigans of politicians, protestors, and others, yet would never stoop so low as to hurl such vitriolic abuse at someone.
april rose - your post is excellent, and shows that Europe isn't the 'land of milk and honey' we are led to believe. Employing EU workers has depressed wages, and I think that when welfare benefits are considered, we are lucky to break even. My son works in a factory which employs several European workers. If they work a certain number of hours they can claim certain benefits. Most of the female workers take advantage - working part time and claiming benefits, making as much as he does working full time. What advantage to the UK is that?

growstuff I live in the Castle Point constituency, it is commuter belt. Not a lot of Eastern European’s that I know of.

The neighbouring constituency of Southend on Sea has plenty.

Welcome aprilrose. I found your post very interesting, and think you are very brave to do your first post on a politically motivated subject.

I too stuck my neck out today and gave an opinion on here, as I am usually not brave enough or can't be hassled with some of the nasty comments that ensue.

Wishing you well.

growstuff

I worked in the Mansfield area for many years (up to 2013) and could have predicted that result.

This link makes inspiring read. I hope both remainers and leavers will read it.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/eurocrisispress/2019/03/15/brexit-mansfield-lse-report/

Sorry about that hollyabby having had some comments deleted myself I abhor censorship and people who complain to teacher. We are all grown ups and should know better.