Why are "Leavers" so angry?

Even if the Remainers are angry (which I dispute) they have not as far as I know asked for Parliament to be shut down, threatened MPs or praised a PM who calls women's very real fears "humbug". If they have please can someone show me where?

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Really, Miche? Do you have any examples? I must say it's not my experience at all.

There were only nine areas in the country which recorded a "leave" vote of over 70%:

1. Boston (East Midlands): 75.6%
2. South Holland (East Midlands): 73.6%
3. Castle Point (East of England): 72.7%
4. Thurrock (East of England): 72.3%
5. Great Yarmouth (East of England): 71.5%
6. Fenland (East of England): 71.4%
7. Mansfield (East Midlands): 70.9%
8. Bolsover (East Midlands): 70.8%
9. East Lindsey (East Midlands): 70.7%

All of them are in the East of England or East Midlands. I know some of them have a high number of EU immigrants doing low-skilled, low paid work. I also know that some of them have historical problems which are not EU related. Surely any reasonable government should have looked at the local problems and tried to support those areas.

From what I have read and seen especially listening to Jeremy vine a couple of times I truly believe the remainers are far angrier the leave voters .

I hadn’t intended to add to this thread, but have decided to in order to reasonably explain some of my reasons for leaving the EU

Thank you Libra for your reply. As a leave voter I share all your concerns.

I am also very concerned that the fragile currency, the Euro, which we may have to adopt, is our concern all the while we are a member of the EU.

Not only do we feed BILLIONS into Brussels each year for membership - far more than the majority of member-states - we, the UK taxpayers, and our government, would be liable to absorb those overseas member-state debts too and bail out the Euro if and when it crashes, to the tune of billions and billions of pounds, on top of the fees we already pay.

That's a concern I'd rather the UK didn't have.

Maybe somebody with a better understanding of GN's systems could confirm. abbey's profile is still available for PMing, so I'm assuming she hasn't been banned or deleted herself.

Who says abbey has been banned?

Of course you think it can be countered!

This is a nervous first post having read through the many comments. I think I agree with Libra10 and lemongrove that it seems that if anyone disagrees with the group they are removed effectively by a kind of mobbing with demands from many sides.

I think this is a strength of remain minded people, they think and act as one. I noticed that Abbey has not returned. She mentioned that someone had complained to shut down her views. It appears to have worked. I am sure she would have returned to answer a number of the points raised since her last post if she could have.

That says a lot about remain minded people. They behave as a group to achieve their ends. They hunt down offenders and scare them off or worse, as you suggested Libra 10. I think she made some good points, unfortunately they were lost in a giant rant. I can understand but it did not do her any good as the group mentality overwhelmed her and finally, because she came back again and again fighting, they had her removed as she said in her last posts.

Leave minded people tend to work as individuals. I think that is why there have been few organised protests. I certainly know from experience that many of the pro EU protesters in London were organised and even had their fares paid to allow them to get there. One of those people was a close friend of mine. She didn't go for the protest, just for shopping in London, all expenses paid. An hour of her time was given to the protest.

I think the same thing is reflected in parliament also. Remain work as a group. Brexit seems to be a whole range of small individuals who share similar interests coming together in loose associations. They do not have the same kind of group mentality.

I noticed one poster who seemed concerned that leave voters did not understand what a good thing staying in the EU was. What we were giving up I think was the phrase . Please do not ask me to go back through 16 pages to find it.

It struck me that remain minded people seem to think that we have all shared in some kind of good life within the EU. I think a lot of politicians and media people shared that idea and that is why they were so upset when the result was a leave vote. They continue to promote that idea.
They misjudged and continue to misjudge.

In their world everyone has benefited. However, it is clear a lot of people found maybe have not benefited from being in the EU. More than found themselves as beneficiaries. That is why the vote was leave.

I personally voted to leave the EU. It was based on my life experience. I did not follow any political argument on either side. I have wanted to leave the EU for almost 40 years. That is since I first started work.

I was unable to vote in the 1975 referendum as I was too young but I remember my then employer telling all the staff and workers to vote to stay in the "Common Market" as it would protect their jobs. If they did not vote to stay we would all lose our jobs. I know most employees voted to stay. The vote returned a majority for remaining. Everyone was happy when the result came out, they thought their jobs were safe. Unfortunately 8 weeks later the firm decided to close down and move production to another country. I think it was Spain or France, although it might have been both ( different sections to different places). I lost my first job. It was a big employer. The whole area became depressed. Its never really recovered. There is a lot of anger and hostility amongst people where I live, all directed at the EU.

It could be seen as bad luck I suppose, but that has been the story of my whole working life. I have had 3 different jobs where the firm has ended up moving to another country. In all cases it was because the EU gave them a grant to re locate. In one case they even brought our replacements over to be trained by us before they closed us down. It wasn't that we were losing money or had poor production just that the grants were generous and the labour cheaper in other countries.

It hurt. I moved through a number of jobs in a downward spiral until I landed in my current one. Not a good job because it is part time. It pays the bills though. We have a lot of EU workers in some of our departments. Most of the work is taken by labour from EU countries. That helps keep my wages down too. We have high unemployment where I live . There have been a few EU grants given. One was for a cycle path to be built. No jobs in that. The cycle path is now overgrown and not used. It never was used.

It has been my feeling that the EU has not been a very good outcome for me personally and it has not helped the area where I live at all. I want something better for my family than I have had. I too am quite angry that my vote has not been listened to. The vote was 70% to leave the EU in my area, so I think I am not alone. When I talk to friends and neighbours we are all quietly very angry, but as individuals we do not know what to do. We do not have a remain minded group organisation to rally us to any protest call or to shout down the remain minded mob.

So I have made my post. Its all I wanted to say really. Now I must run off before remain minded groupies jump on me. I do not want to find myself banned before I even make a start.

Thank you for reading. Most kind.

whenever a real fact is posted, or a link to a primary source for something that has been misunderstood by those who want to leave, there is a deafening silence from 99% of them

Well, in truth, you do have to be stirred up to reply in depth, with sources and references to articles etc. Sometimes I look, think, "that Remainer argument can be countered" and then think, "Nah"....I just cannot be bothered.

I know through PMs that many others feel the same way. Why justify, why post, just to have the majority of Remain voters pounce?

I have received so much flak, and so many replies to my posts which are personal, dismissive and snearing.

I also find myself answering in kind - and that person is just not me. I am slowly learning some forums just aren't fun, yet they require effort.

Why should I give a damn, really? Why become involved in online spats over something which will unfold in it's own way?

Brexit has been going on for three long years. The Leave vote won the referendum, and the Remainers are STILL sore losers, demanding answers from those who voted differently.

For example, there are lots of pieces out there criticising the Yellowhammer paper. It's another Project Fear weapon for Remainers, isn't it, yet it has it's critics. I just cannot be bothered to find them and quote them.

So, it looks like Remainers are occupying the high ground, when in truth, all we have is far more Remainer posters interested in getting involved than Leave posters.

I cannot speak for all Leavers but

a) I do not respond to the almost constant, since the result of the referendum was published, demands that I explain fully why I voted as I did. The fact that Remain voters use non-explanation as a weapon to suggest Leavers are ignorant or clue-less happens time and time again.

and

b) I feel that it's a waste of time or ineffective. (I was going to use the phrase "Pissing in the wind" in truth.) No one is going to have a Damascene-type conversion, are they, because of something I write?

Perhaps that is an angle Remainers might consider when they are left chatting to themselves on various threads?

So what, petra? Read some of the stuff which has been written by people who voted to leave.

A serving soldier is being investigated for sending this Twitter to Labour's Angela Rayner:

'It read: "Ohh f* off you stupid b****, c** like you will perish when civil war comes and its coming. 17.4 million people are gunning for blood if we don't leave."'

this is what is happening to large numbers women MP's, and people like Gina Miller. If you don't think this is concerning- then I really can't reply anymore.

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You ask who said most of them can't even string together a coherent sentence
It was, growstuff on Friday @ 09.53.

BTW An estimated 202,000 citizens from other EU countries immigrated to the UK in the year to September 2018, and about 145,000 emigrated abroad. So EU ‘net migration’ was around 57,000—roughly the lowest level recorded since 2009.

The largest group is from Poland, followed by Ireland. Leaving the EU will make absolutely no difference to immigration from Ireland.

There are far more immigrants from non-EU countries, over which the UK has (and has always had) total control.

Genuinely interested in your reasons for thinking the pound will recover against the Euro and the dollar.

libra10 The example given by joelsnan was totally misguided and could not be blamed on the EU. It wasn't "helpful" - it was wrong. Are people expected to accept errors without comment?

No, there isn't MissAdventure, but it seems to me that there are some people who aren't aware of the kind of abuse people like Gina Miller are subjected to on a daily basis. I could fill this thread with examples, if I were so inclined. It really is relentless and for our PM to jump into the bear pit with his aggressive metaphors is a disgrace. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I do expect the leader of a country to take some kind of moral lead.

I really didn't appreciate abbey's insults, hysterical rant about "hating" anybody who voted to remain and (presumably deliberate) misunderstanding of what I wrote.

For anyone who is able to read all the information we have now, but did not have three years ago, to claim that "we will definitely save huge amounts each year" is an indication of blind faith in propaganda.

I might understand it coming from Crispin Odey, but from anyone who is not a billionaire currency speculator -I have to say as politely as I can, please don't hold your breath.

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Even Senior polititcians refuse to answer questions. Here is Andrew Neil trying to get an answer, and getting no-where. How can the Government both respect and abide by the Law, and still say we will Leave on Oct. 31st, whatever happens. It does not tally - and yes, it does make people very concerned. Then you have Farage saying 'he will take a knife to Civil Servants and implies 'Supreme Court Judges'. And on top of it all- we know learn that language and aggession is being stepped up in the hope that violence will break out and Johnson can call a 'State of Emergency' that would allow him to silence opponents.

Maybe WOODMOUSE if anybody who had voted to leave came up with a factual and coherent answer, it could be the basis for a rational discussion.

Surely there's no need to stoop to any level?

Did you hope they'd go away if you didn't give them an answer lemongrove?

This is the kind of thing directed at Gina Miller …

Please show me where I have ever stooped to this kind of level.