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Anne Sacoolas

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Mollygo Mon 07-Oct-19 22:17:11

Should she have to come back and face trial for killing that boy? I’ve read about diplomatic immunity. Should it cover killing by the diplomat or his/her family?

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 16:45:49

Probably only by me it would seem.

(I don't actually know. I think the lowest common denominator has the loudest voice in our press.)

suziewoozie Wed 16-Oct-19 16:45:34

I think the family have handled it very well indeed. We wouldn’t be talking about it at all if they hadn’t gone public. It’s patronising to imply they aren’t thinking for themselves - I think the mother in particular speaks well and from the heart.

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 16:44:23

I do think our authorities would deal with it. And I certainly don't blame the family for asking Boris Johnson to look at it.

But not this.

merlotgran Wed 16-Oct-19 16:43:03

Has there actually been any criticism directed at the family?

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 16:42:02

I'm not saying she shouldn't have to face a court for what happened, either here or in the US, I just don't think the way the family have been advised to handle it is the right way.

merlotgran Wed 16-Oct-19 16:41:21

Neither do I. confused

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 16:39:48

Don't understand that. confused

suziewoozie Wed 16-Oct-19 16:37:58

I actually think that some of the criticism directed at the family is because it’s the USA that’s involved? If it were say the wife of a Cuban diplomat I wonder if the responses by the critics might have been different?

Riverwalk Wed 16-Oct-19 16:29:39

Have to admit when I heard that the parents were going to the US I did think, oh dear this sounds like a tabloid stunt but now think they were absolutely right to do so.

It was obviously no use relying on the authorities, both sides of the Atlantic, as it just seems to have been accepted that she had left the UK using diplomatic immunity, probably at the insistence/connivance of the US embassy, and that was that.

These parents have shown that the 'little people' don't have to accept what's dished out. Good luck to them.

suziewoozie Wed 16-Oct-19 15:56:46

Well we’ll just have to disagree on that - the lessons of history are on my side however

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 15:43:41

I don't believe that suziwoozie.

newnanny Wed 16-Oct-19 15:39:26

I can't quite work out if she actually had diplomatic immunity or not. It is poor she has not come back to face the family. It was an accident not done on purpose so she would most likely only get community service anyway. I feel so sorry for the boys twin though and his parents.

suziewoozie Wed 16-Oct-19 15:38:58

Without the family’s ‘media circus’ and ‘PR stunt’ the authorities would have done zilch

Oopsminty Wed 16-Oct-19 15:33:35

I'm not sure what is wanted.

I feel terribly for the family and friends.

But nothing is going to bring their beloved son back.

The family have actually said they don't want her to go to prison.

They just want their day in court I guess.

Many years ago, the American actor, Matthew Broderick was involved in an accident in NI. He was injured as well so didn't flee. Two women were killed. But he didn't go to prison.

I imagine the guilt stays with you forever though.

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 15:30:30

I think there will be an outcome of sorts. Best leave it to the authorities, either here or in the US.

Loislovesstewie Wed 16-Oct-19 15:30:01

Elolethan ; my sentiments entirely.

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 15:29:34

If it were a member of my family I would be on the floor in pieces.

Eloethan Wed 16-Oct-19 15:28:15

I don't suppose anyone believes this woman deliberately knocked down and killed a motorcyclist. It was obviously an accident, although we don't know the exact details. I have sympathy for anyone in this situation.

However, I have more sympathy for the young man's poor parents who, quite rightly in my opinion, want this woman to be treated in the same way as any other driver who has caused a serious injury/fatality. In my opinion, they have behaved perfectly reasonably and are not demanding vengeance but simply that she should have the decency and courage to submit to British law and explain in Court how the accident occurred.

If it were a member of your family Gonegirl, would you be satisfied with an apology and no legal examination of what happened?

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 15:27:54

I don't mean that at all. But I don't see the point in going halfway across the world to chase the woman. Why do that?

Anja Wed 16-Oct-19 15:25:17

Goodness me Gonegirl that is really very unkind to the family. Sort of ‘get over it’ ...?

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 14:37:54

There you are then.

suziewoozie Wed 16-Oct-19 14:33:59

If she had been an ordinary American living here, she would have been prosecuted. We do not routinely say to motorists who kill ‘aah never mind petal, it was an accident, go home and have a nice cup of tea’. Because it was an accident, it doesn’t mean the law wasn’t broken does it?

To call it a witch hunt is callous

Gonegirl Wed 16-Oct-19 14:27:07

It was a mistake anyone in her position could so easily have made. Tragic consequences, but I'm not sure a witch-hunt, which is what this is turning into, is going to help anyone. I think the family would be better advised to stay at home and deal with their grief as best they can.

I'm not at all sure she would be punished for what was obviously a horrible accident.

I feel dreadfully sorry for all involved.

suziewoozie Wed 16-Oct-19 14:05:05

David I wish I had your confidence in how I’d feel so that I could criticise this poor family as you do. ‘Media Circuses’ in this country evoked by families sometimes over years have resulted in miscarriages of justice bring overturned, new laws brought in and wrongs righted. I think they are very brave and dealing with this in the way they choose. I could not be so arrogant and self righteous as to criticise them in their overwhelming loss and the injustice of it all.

Granarchist Wed 16-Oct-19 13:57:33

The family were literally spirited away back to the US overnight. The children were removed from their local school and no explanation given for their sudden absence. Of course now we know why.