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Brexit, cutting the red tape

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varian Tue 15-Oct-19 20:36:00

That is the problem for Labour voters labaik. If you were go vote LibDem then your wish to Remain would be a curately registred.

Labaik Tue 15-Oct-19 20:26:12

The trouble is, varian, that the powers that be keep telling me that my Labour vote was supporting the result of the referendum when, in fact, it was an attempt [a successful one] to reduce the powers of the worst, but most dangerous government in recent history.

varian Tue 15-Oct-19 20:08:30

We need to put a stop to this brexit nonsense ASAP then we can have a GE where we look at the policies which matter.

newnanny Tue 15-Oct-19 11:41:42

Parliament can't function properly when any government does not have a majority in the house. No legislation gets passed. Everything is stalemate. If we had a GE and there was a hung parliament maybe there would be an alliance.

MaizieD Mon 14-Oct-19 23:09:04

Parliament is functioning properly, newnannie, when it's not being interfered with by Johnson's tricks.

I'm not sure what miracle you are hoping for with a GE. The chances are it will be a hung parliament, just like the current one.

newnanny Mon 14-Oct-19 22:52:48

It would allow parliament to function properly.

growstuff Thu 10-Oct-19 22:54:55

No, newnanny a GE wouldn't decide how many people are still in favour of leaving the EU.

varian Thu 10-Oct-19 16:23:31

The annual direct (or “red tape”) cost of WTO tariff and non-tariff barriers is estimated to total around £27 billion for UK firms (or equivalent to 1.5 percent of GVA) and around £31 billion for EU27 firms (or equivalent to 0.4 percent of GVA) after initial steps to mitigate the impacts have been taken. They are of a similar absolute magnitude but about four times greater for the UK as a percentage of GVA.

from "THE “RED TAPE” COST OF BREXIT" by Oliver Wyman

www.cliffordchance.com/microsites/brexit-hub/thought-leadership/the-red-tape-cost-of-brexit/_jcr_content/parsystop/hubdownload/file.res/OliverWyman-CliffordChance_The%20Red%20Tape%20Cost%20of%20Brexit%20(screen).pdf

varian Thu 10-Oct-19 12:31:45

In 2017 Remain voters destroyed the Tory majority by flocking to Labour as 'best bet' to stop a hard Brexit, finds study.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/remain-voters-tory-majority-election-labour-hard-brexit-conservatives-leave-eu-talks-minority-jeremy-a7871541.html

newnanny Thu 10-Oct-19 12:04:50

We need a GE. The government is paralysed in parliament. They can not get any legislation through the house and I have read the Queen's speech will be voted down. That is why we need a GE. In a GE each party can set out its official position on Brexit and the electorate can make its voice heard. The problems only arise when Labour says its official policy is to leave EU and a lot of leave voters voted for them believing they would take us out of EU only for Corbyn to betray them and flipflop to Remain. There current stance of Labour seems to be more towards Remain and is the opposite to their manifesto promises in 2017. Let us see how many votes Labour get, and will lose compared to 2017, if it campaigns for Remain.

Dinahmo Thu 10-Oct-19 11:27:07

Varian Agree with you. Leavers have been assuming that because people say that they want to get it done, that they want to leave. I'm hoping that Parliament will decide that we cancel Brexit. Then we could have an election, without Brexit on the manifestos and sort out the many problems the British people are facing at the moment.

humptydumpty Thu 10-Oct-19 11:24:59

We need a second referendum! - not after a GE, it should be a single-issue vote.

varian Thu 10-Oct-19 10:56:12

The tide of public opinion has now turned against Brexit and Brits would now vote to stay in the EU, according to a new poll-of-polls.

Analysis of 300 surveys by market research firm Yougov has revealed that public support for Brexit waned a year after the 2016 referendum, and the majority of Brits have supported remaining in the bloc ever since.

www.cityam.com/britain-would-now-vote-to-stay-in-the-eu-mega-poll-reveals/

Surely it is time for the BBC and others to stop allowing brexiters to keep claiming "people just want us to get brexit done". Maybe some people want that but most people just want to STOP BREXIT and that has been the case for more than two years.

winterwhite Thu 10-Oct-19 10:38:26

All this does show persistent Leavers in a bad light.
Three years have been spent trying to make what they wanted work while the interests of everyone else were neglected. And the answer is that it won't work without enormous cost to everyone and damage to the economy for several years. I think they should now say to the government. 'Thanks for trying, we supported the idea of Brexit but now realise that it's unworkable.' Simples?

GracesGranMK3 Thu 10-Oct-19 10:24:24

I am afraid you are right Maizie. The Ministry of Brexit Truth will yet again try and tell us all 17,410,742 people knew this when they voted. Isn't it strange that 16,141,241 who voted to remain plus all those who didn't vote, because they thought we couldn't be as stupid as it turns out we can, be DID know.

MaizieD Thu 10-Oct-19 10:15:23

P.S re the 'laptop' comment. The poster meant a laptop for work, not leisure.

MaizieD Thu 10-Oct-19 10:14:06

Andrea Leadsome's department has posted a series of videos outlining the changes for travel and trade with the EU which will occur after Brexit.

I only watched one, the first, but it seems to be more like an anti-Brexit piece than something that fills one with joy.

It makes one wonder what was so bad about only needing your passport and EHC to travel and work anywhere in the EU...

twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/1181948315895771138

Comments on the videos could be worth exploring, too.

Here's one
She doesn’t mention that if you take a laptop with you into the EU then you’ll need to buy a customs certificate costing £140 and renewable annually, which is more than twice what it costs each person to be in the EU just on that one charge alone.

I suspect that Leavers have given up pretending that Brexit will cut out all the red tape... I expect they'll now say that they knew it was going to make trade and travel in the EU more complex and require more hoop jumping. But it's worth it...