bloody whinging royals

Then I think you’d be out of pocket - they could quite easily pull back on the grandstanding on the slab stage whilst undertaking plenty of basic royal duties of the ribbon cutting variety. I doubt that would interest either of them though.

If H & M were to “lie low for the next year or so” I will put money on there being a GN thread about them not pulling their weight with regards to Royal duties!!!!

Exactly Annie

If they are finding things difficult then they need to get some good PR advice from a neutral party and lie low for the next year or so. It’s not rocket science.

They have many examples on how to cope with the world press , seems they choose just one

Grief is all consuming, it’s the price we pay for loving.

I will not judge others on how they deal with their grief.

They have public duties, the majority of which are decided by The Government and Civil Servants, who need to “put UK in the best light”, and gain publicity for the cause/charity.

In two years they have met, married and had a child. They are finding their feet in front of the worlds press. Meghan's family are estranged and it is none of our business why. Endless speculation about that and comparing them to Prince Williams family who are being groomed for their roll as future Monarch and consort, is taking its toll on this couple.

I'm not sure a stiff upper lip helps anyone, in light of how many people have mental health issues.
Its only in very recent times its even been acceptable to talk about depression, anxiety, and so on.

Harry and Meghan are of the 'share everything' ilk, just the same as lots of people these days.

For the record, in spite of being very stiff upper lipped myself, I have cried on the bus to work, in the arms of a kind woman in the job centre, on the shoulder of a woman at the bus stop, and all sorts of embarrassing places since my daughter died.

I'm not unsympathetic towards the changes Harry & Meghan have had in the past two years. It's all been a bit whirlwind for them and I like(d) them both. What I don't understand is what they're trying to achieve by all this publicity-seeking. What message are they trying to send? What do they want us to do?

My take is that Harry is now at a crossroads of his life. He's a bit of an action man and having to leave the armed forces left him rudderless. He'll never be king, being a husband and father is unlikely to fill his time, given the amount of help they have. It's a bit like Princess Margaret, in some ways. It can't be fun, knowing your role was as The Spare and now even that has been removed from you. What is Harry's role in life to be?

The royals don’t share their troubles and worries with the world , the Queen did show emotion when the Britannia was decommissioned but there was one other time, when she stood and looked at the graves of the children in Aberfan, her eyes filled with tears but she quickly got herself together.

It is possible to keep one’s private and public life separate, the royals are described as ‘being stiff upper lipped’, am sure they have shed tears , had worries, suffered grief , but in private not
on the world stage.

I would think staying alive would have been uppermost in their minds tbh.

I don't think you can compare one human being with another. We are all different.

Just as well military personnel serving during our two World Wars managed to control their feelings when thoughts of their families must have been uppermost in their minds.

It is possible to separate a working environment from your private life. Doctors do it all the time. How could a surgeon operate on a critically ill child if he was wiping back tears because he's just had a healthy one of his own?

But not all the time as these two seem to - most people seem to operate just fine without needing to share their feelings with complete strangers to that extent.

I get the distinct impression that they thought that everyone would love them and hang onto their every word as they sought to tackle the great injustices of the world - but instead they’ve managed to alienate and irritate people and the press

Crying, even publicly, doesn't necessarily show weakness. It's human.

But how can one person divide themself up like that? It's not possible. Children are first and foremost in his mind at the moment because they've just produced one of their own.

People are allowed to be brave and have normal over-emotional feelings. We all do at certain times of our lives.

Yes, of course he does, Gonegirl but he shouldn't allow his private life, thoughts and feelings to spill over into his public duties.

He always used to be able to control his feelings. He saw some pretty awful stuff as an army officer serving in Afghanistan. It prompted him to start the Invictus Games and motivate injured servicemen.

That's the human but strong Harry we remember.

Di's popularity only really exploded post humorously.

In life she had some admirers but she wasnt really universally liked.

W is old enough to remember who she was. No saint.

H seems to have mixed up the Di of her obituaries with the reality, possibly because he was younger so renembers the real thing less.

Still no excuse. And nobody as asking or expecting him or M to walk in her footsteps. He has decided that he and M must live Dis life not their own.
Yet in the next breath he is lashing out at anything her percieves to be history re-writing. Even when for e.g. the BBC was on Ms side re the "race traitor" stuff.

Its not healthy

A man can't lean on his brother all his life. Of course he loves his own little family first and foremost.

You don't think he deliberately cried at that event do you? He must have been so embarrassed.

Harry and William leaned on each other after their mother's death. They were close.

Harry's marriage has changed all that. He's now leaning on his wife who has a 'me, me, me' approach to life in the spotlight. I've never been one to criticise the stiff upper lip way of coping because it's what the Royals do and they do it very well. Charles kept his feelings to himself after Mountbatten was assassinated and the Queen lost her mother and sister within a few months of each other but the only time I've seen her shed a tear was when Britannia was decommissioned.

Making the Well Child event all about 'him' was a big mistake. Every parent hopes and prays that their expected baby will be healthy so breaking down in front of parents who were not so lucky is unforgiveable.

Society has created an " every man for himself " way of life so it isn't surprising that sympathy/empathy isn't always forthcoming for his fellow man. It's the sad way that things are

People change so easily. How long ago is it everyone felt so sorry for that little boy being to make all that way behind his mother's coffin? Now, because the years have passed, everyone seems out to get him.

Milk of human kindness? Doesn't seem to exist does it?

If everyone would just stop tearing into them all the time things would be different. It's the general public as well as the press who have created all this bad feeling. Twitter, Gransnet.....

People just want to put over their take on things. It's all about exressing themselves these days. And don't hold back.

Are they being given sensible advice and if so, are they choosing to ignore it?

It's sad to think that Harry continues to be so badly affected by the loss of his mother but if this is the case than perhaps it would be better to withdraw from public life, if only temporarily.

The Queen's own experience following the death of Diana, showed rightly or wrongly, how the most prominent royal can risk falling out of favour with the public.

SirChenjin your post sums it up for me.

That interview Meghan gave was a faux pas. I though these royal people had publicity advisors.

They need to separate their private lives from their public lives

What, cut himself in half? He is one person. One living human being.

With deference to those posters who have lost a child, I know from my husband who lost a son a while ago, that loss brings with it heightened sense of emotion, often lying dormant and under control, but sometimes out of the blue it can be triggered when least expected. It's the nature of bereavement. When Harry was a child his mother was clearly everything to him that comes across and whilst he won't be the only young person in the world to have lost a much loved parent, his personal tragedy is dredged up constantly, he was only a kid at the time, and it's clearly something he has to carry around with him. Possibly becoming a father has overwhelmed him emotionally, insomuch as love can be very much tied up with loss, I expect he's had his moments of reflection where he wished his mother was still here to share his experience of parenthood with him. Just a thought, I'm no psychiatrist.

Unfortunately the milieu Harry and Meghan seem to immerse themselves in, and of course with her acting background Meghan brought some of her own baggage. That combined with an increasing stance associated with a strata of the very privileged, most of whom have a disconnect with how ordinary people live. Grandstanding on certain issues and self congratulatory lecturing, planting trees and the like, does tend to piss the prolls off, someone should tell them, perhaps they do, they've certainly offloaded a lot of staff along the way!

I see that the documentary maker is ITNs Tom Bradby, a personal friend of both William and Harry. He was a guest at their weddings. So Harry and Meghan seem to have invited him along on their tour of Africa, to make a documentary. I'm sure they did have control over what he filmed, and what questions he asked.

I did feel sorry for her when I saw the clip when she said she was not OK. But I always feel that we the public are being manipulated, and that they are not being honest with us. That is why they are now so unpopular with some, people think they are hypocrites.

Harry seems to be "on the edge" and I think he really needs help. Surely they could just step away from Royal duties for a year or two? Not court publicity, raise their family in peace.