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Boris Johnson and his lies

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Dinahmo Sat 19-Oct-19 15:19:29

The independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe has today found that Johnson's deal would reduce GDP per capita by between 2.3% and 7% over the next decade. This compares with May's deal where the estimate was between 1.9% and 5.5%. They also suggest that a deal would hit public finances by £16bn and £49bn.

Today in parliament Johnson promised that high standards on workers rights an environmental protections will be maintained.

The political declaration can enter UK law but it is only a statement of intent and he can therefore promise the ERG that, if he wins the next election, he will set aside the political declaration and pivot towards deregulation and a sweetheart deal with Trump. The purpose of the ERG is to deregulate at home in order to strike trade deals with the US and emerging markets.

Would someone please explain why he should now be trusted when he has lied throughout the whole of his career. After all, leopards don't change their spots. It would take too long to list all his lies, but here's some, as a reminder:

1. When suspended from the cable car across the Thames, the mechanism apparently failed. Of course, it was deliberately stopped and he claimed it failed for a good photo opportunity.

2. In his manifesto for the London Mayor election he promised that he would ensure that there would be manned ticket offices at every train station. he then agreed to widespread closures in order to fund 24 hour tube trains

3. Also in his manifesto he promised to eradicate rough sleeping - it doubled during his tenure

4. He lied about the reason for proroguing parliament

5. He repeated his lie about the EU regulating the shape of bananas

6. He lied about there being no press when he was at GOS Hospital

Now for the money wasted whilst mayor on vanity projects:

1. Feasibility study into the Garden Bridge - £52 million

2. Cable car £24 million

3. Boris bikes £225 million (original idea Ken Livingstone but BJ implemented it)

4. Water cannon £323,000 - not allowed under UK law, unsold and now scrapped

5. Estuary airport feasibility study £5.2 million

6. Olympic stadium conversion to football pitch for West Ham - £305 million. The club was supposed to contribute £153 million but in the end it only paid £15 million and now pays annual rent of £2.5 million.

7. Routemaster hybrid buses £321.6 million - superseded by the introduction of electric buses. It's USP is now defunct because the doors at the rear "hop on hop off" platforms are closed in moving traffic (and that includes at walking pace)

A few of these projects had small amounts of sponsorship money but most of the costs were funded by the tax payer

varian Tue 29-Oct-19 11:54:35

Leave campaigners have abandoned plans to hold a rally against MPs’ Brexit “betrayal” on Friday as Boris Johnson seeks to turn the delay to his advantage.

Mr Johnson, who said he would rather be “dead in a ditch” than see Britain’s departure from the EU delayed, admitted yesterday that the country would not leave on Thursday.

When Theresa May failed to meet the original deadline of March 29 she faced a protest outside parliament. However, pro-Brexit campaigners have pulled plans for a similar rally.

Yesterday sources confirmed that the event, for which Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party had been expected to supply a speaker, would not go ahead. At the same time the Brexit Party urged the prime minister to strike an electoral pact with it…

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-chaos-leave-campaign-ditches-betrayal-rally-as-farage-seeks-electoral-pact-l2cvbp68r

Nonnie Tue 29-Oct-19 10:11:35

Have we forgotten that BJ was part of the first team negotiating Brexit? I always thought he resigned because he knew he couldn't get what he promised. Nothing changed then!

SirChenjin Mon 28-Oct-19 21:23:47

It might be easier to work out how many he’s won grin

Labaik Mon 28-Oct-19 21:20:33

So, how many votes has he lost now....?

winterwhite Mon 28-Oct-19 12:12:34

One fallacy constantly repeated by BJ and alas gaining acceptance is that Remainers / Parliament have been debating Brexit ‘for 3 years’. Not so at all. Theresa May consulted no one, least of all opposition parties, and allowed no discussion until November last year. That was a big mistake and large part of the problem all along.
After her resignation in April the country more or less closed down during the interminable Tory leadership contest. Then came the summer recess. Then further time taken up with queen’s speech.
That this process is taking so long is the fault of no one but the Conservative party and they must not be allowed to forget it.

varian Mon 28-Oct-19 10:59:52

"Boris Johnson's "do or die" pledge to leave by 31 October is no more - it is dead.

Many will see this as a no-deal Brexit being taken off the table, at least until 31 January.

So it will increase the arguments in the Commons that with no-deal parked, Parliament now has to make a decision on an election.

And that is what Mr Johnson will be trying to argue over the next few days.

For the PM, there is a risk of calling an election without Brexit being resolved, as he may be punished for it at the ballot box.

So, while it buys more time, it also creates an element uncertainty for the prime minister.

He will now campaign for an election in the knowledge that he has failed in his signature policy which he campaigned for in the Conservative leadership election."

Norman Smith BBC Assistant Political Editor
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603

varian Mon 28-Oct-19 10:43:48

"Boris Johnson is a dumb person's idea of a smart person"

- US TV host John Oliver on the British PM

Nonnie Mon 28-Oct-19 09:44:14

Labaik it is to do with investments by UK into EU funds which have made a huge profit. The £7 bn is our share of the profit but BJ agreed, as part of his deal, that instead of keeping the proceeds we would only take out the small amount we put in some years ago with none of the accumulated interest.

It feels to me as if he is like one of those employees who wastes resources because it is only the company's money and not their own

Labaik Sun 27-Oct-19 18:23:56

I've mentioned this on the Brexit thread but can anyone explain about the£7bn EU bank windfall that we're going to lose if we accept Johnsons deal? [in todays Times...]

varian Sun 27-Oct-19 16:26:39

The public is turning against Boris Johnson’s deal and blaming him – rather than Labour – for the latest Brexit delay, a poll has found.

Only 19 per cent of voters believe the surprise agreement struck with Brussels last week is a good deal and only 3 per cent described it as “very good”.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-boris-johnson-delay-article-50-opinion-poll-a9172051.html

Nonnie Sun 27-Oct-19 10:22:01

Whitewavemark2 Sat 26-Oct-19 17:56:35 excellent!

Fennel Sun 27-Oct-19 08:47:00

I enjoyed Michal Rosen's piece too grin
Cummings and Gowings are 2 characters in Diary of a Nobody, one of my favourite books.

growstuff Sun 27-Oct-19 02:08:56

Maybe the next chapter will have Mogg meeting the Queen of Heart's equally sneery priti pussy! grin

Ginny42 Sun 27-Oct-19 01:21:10

Rosen's Mogg the 'sneery cat' is so apt. He positively purrs with his sense of self importance. You can see it in his smug facial expression and his body language, i.e. lounging on the front bench in the House. He knows his family is well-insulated against any cost of living increases Brexit may result in for the rest of us, and that his family lifestyle won't have to change at all.

What I would give to see him 'eat his own words.' It would be like swallowing a flipping dictionary.

Ginny42 Sun 27-Oct-19 01:05:28

Jo Johnson knew what was coming. Who would know what his brother was capable of better than his siblings?

We should ditch Johnson and not wait for him to throw himself in one.

Amagran Sun 27-Oct-19 00:52:19

I know what you mean, Labaik, our credulity is tested daily as the boundaries of acceptable behaviour and common decency are being warped, as if we were on the edge of a black hole...………..Wait a minute, I forgot for a moment, we are on the edge of a black hole!

Labaik Sun 27-Oct-19 00:39:34

I've reached a point where I don't know half the time what's fake news and what isn't but it often turns out the fake news is far more sensible than what's actually happening...

Dinahmo Sun 27-Oct-19 00:23:56

Whitewave Thanks. Brilliant.

Amagran Sun 27-Oct-19 00:19:12

Thank you Whitewavemark2. I love that post! grin

SirChenjin Sat 26-Oct-19 19:32:55

Love that post from Rosen grin

Pantglas2 Sat 26-Oct-19 19:09:07

Alice? Who the (bleep) is Alice? Smokie - 1970s

Whitewavemark2 Sat 26-Oct-19 17:56:35

This is a post from Michael Rosen

Alice in Wonderland visits Number 10

Alice walked on.

In front of her was a door with a number on it: 10. She knocked and an invisible man pulled the door open. The moment she was inside she heard shouting and being curious, she put her head round the door frame of the nearest room.

An extremely angry man, who she would later hear was Mr Comings-and-Goings, was screaming at a large white dog. This was Johnson, the house dog at Number 10.

'You shouldn't have mentioned ditches!' Mr Comings-and-Goings was yelling at Johnson, 'Why did you talk about ditches?'

'Mea culpa non cupola,' said Johnson blearily, whilst keeping a firm eye on a rather splendid steak and mushroom pie that was sitting on the sideboard.

'O what does that mean?' said Alice brightly.

'How should I know?' said Mr Comings-and-Goings furiously.

'It means...' said Johnson sidling ever nearer to the pie, 'my fault but not my domed ceiling.'

'But that doesn't make sense,' said Alice crossly.

'That's the point,' said Mr Comings-and-Goings. 'Whenever he gibbers away with that stuff, all the scribes over there think that he's the most brilliant dog that ever barked. That's all that matters.'

'Are you entering him for some sort of competition? I love competitions,' Alice said, her eyes shining with expectation.

'Yes,' snapped Mr Comings-and-Goings, 'and we've got a lot of work to do getting him cleaned up in time for it. He's been pole dancing.'

'But...' Alice started to say but she was interrupted by Mr Comings-and-Goings:

'Enough questions. I don't like answering questions. If you want to ask questions I have other people to do that.'

At that, a tall, thin, cat with a sneery look on its face, appeared from behind the Grandfather Clock.

'Who is this nosy, little girl?' said the sneery cat.

'I don't know and I don't care,' said Mr Comings-and-Goings as he tapped the barometer on the wall and saying what sounded to Alice like very rude words.

'Who are you?' said the sneery cat directly to Alice.

'I'm Alice,' said Alice looking back at him, 'and who are you?'

'I am Mogg,' said the sneery cat, 'for I am the cat that purrs beautifully.'

'Cats do,' said Alice, 'there's no need to say that as if you're special.'

'What an odious little specimen, you are,' said Mogg.

They were interrupted by a very loud bell.

'Get up!' shouted Mr Comings-and-Goings to Johnson. 'You've got to go to the House. If you lose this one, you're for the ditch.'

'Can I take that rather delicious-looking pie with me?' said Johnson mournfully.

'No!' screamed Mr Comings-and-Goings and pushed Johnson out the door and he was followed soon after by the sneery Mogg.

I think I'll follow them, thought Alice.

And she did.

Daisymae Sat 26-Oct-19 16:52:26

Just read that speed limits approaching docks to be reduced from 60 to 40 wef Mon. As we know yellowhammer has been triggered.....

SirChenjin Sat 26-Oct-19 11:51:49

Although one could argue that Juncker tends to get his truths and lies mixed up at times too...

Whitewavemark2 Sat 26-Oct-19 11:23:20

Cameron is such a Pratt.