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Boris Johnson and his lies

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Dinahmo Sat 19-Oct-19 15:19:29

The independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe has today found that Johnson's deal would reduce GDP per capita by between 2.3% and 7% over the next decade. This compares with May's deal where the estimate was between 1.9% and 5.5%. They also suggest that a deal would hit public finances by £16bn and £49bn.

Today in parliament Johnson promised that high standards on workers rights an environmental protections will be maintained.

The political declaration can enter UK law but it is only a statement of intent and he can therefore promise the ERG that, if he wins the next election, he will set aside the political declaration and pivot towards deregulation and a sweetheart deal with Trump. The purpose of the ERG is to deregulate at home in order to strike trade deals with the US and emerging markets.

Would someone please explain why he should now be trusted when he has lied throughout the whole of his career. After all, leopards don't change their spots. It would take too long to list all his lies, but here's some, as a reminder:

1. When suspended from the cable car across the Thames, the mechanism apparently failed. Of course, it was deliberately stopped and he claimed it failed for a good photo opportunity.

2. In his manifesto for the London Mayor election he promised that he would ensure that there would be manned ticket offices at every train station. he then agreed to widespread closures in order to fund 24 hour tube trains

3. Also in his manifesto he promised to eradicate rough sleeping - it doubled during his tenure

4. He lied about the reason for proroguing parliament

5. He repeated his lie about the EU regulating the shape of bananas

6. He lied about there being no press when he was at GOS Hospital

Now for the money wasted whilst mayor on vanity projects:

1. Feasibility study into the Garden Bridge - £52 million

2. Cable car £24 million

3. Boris bikes £225 million (original idea Ken Livingstone but BJ implemented it)

4. Water cannon £323,000 - not allowed under UK law, unsold and now scrapped

5. Estuary airport feasibility study £5.2 million

6. Olympic stadium conversion to football pitch for West Ham - £305 million. The club was supposed to contribute £153 million but in the end it only paid £15 million and now pays annual rent of £2.5 million.

7. Routemaster hybrid buses £321.6 million - superseded by the introduction of electric buses. It's USP is now defunct because the doors at the rear "hop on hop off" platforms are closed in moving traffic (and that includes at walking pace)

A few of these projects had small amounts of sponsorship money but most of the costs were funded by the tax payer

Grany Sat 30-Nov-19 13:25:56

1h
Folks, please read this if you are thinking of voting Tory. There are millions of other reasons not to vote for them of course, but this is also of great concern.

If you value democracy #VoteLabour

@Aiannucci

I’m posting this again because I find it deeply troubling; a buried paragraph in Con manifesto basically saying if they win they have a blank cheque to change EVERYTHING. Mustn’t happen. Why is no one challenging them on what this paragraph means?

Grany Sat 30-Nov-19 13:22:12

29 Nov
I work as an investor. I can categorically confirm that the NHS is up for sale under this government. I have been to investor presentations where we could have brought significant parts of your healthcare provision.

twitter.com/markpalexander/status/1200325114811879424?s=20

jura2 Fri 29-Nov-19 16:07:39

Well,, there you are Johnson admitting, very clearly, that others pull his strings and make decisions for him ...

how anyone, absolutely anyone- can even think of voting for him- is beyond comprehension.

www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics/videos/656661004868088/

Whitewavemark2 Fri 29-Nov-19 15:24:10

Stanley Johnson being too honest. This sort of thing is never usually spoken about

twitter.com/i/status/1200362065430536193

jura2 Fri 29-Nov-19 11:34:42

Have you just listened/watched to him on the Ferrari show this morning.

The man has not go a clue- about anything.

When asked about his clear promise that no-one in the future will have to sell their home to fund Care - he was not happy, and even made a cut throat gesture to Ferrari- to drop the subject. He knows full well that there is NO way whatsoever, that the Tories or anyone else- could promise that.

varian Mon 25-Nov-19 10:27:03

The inventor of the World Wide Web has accused the Conservatives of spreading misinformation during the general election campaign.

Sir Tim Berners-Lee described the renaming of a Tory Twitter account as a fact checking body as "impersonation".

"That was really brazen," he told the BBC. "It was unbelievable they would do that."

During a live TV leaders' debate on Tuesday the Tory press office account @CCHQ was rebranded "factcheckuk".

The renaming remained for the duration of the hour-long debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn. The Conservatives have said "no one will have been fooled" by the move.

But Sir Tim said the renaming "was impersonation. Don't do that. Don't trust people who do that."

He went on to compare what happened with someone impersonating a friend for the purpose of defrauding them. "What the Conservative Party has done is obviously a no no. That's amazingly blatant," Sir Tim said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50539795

growstuff Mon 25-Nov-19 10:20:02

She's standing down as an MP and won't be a great loss.

trisher Mon 25-Nov-19 10:16:15

Ah Nicky Morgan! she doesn't even lie well. At least Boris tries. You do wonder who gives them the figures and sends them out to speak publicly?

growstuff Mon 25-Nov-19 10:13:17

This is the story about Telford A & E, incase people missed it.

www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/general-election-2019/2019/11/24/boris-johnson-arrives-in-telford-for-conservative-manifesto-launch-live/

Johnson couldn't give a damn about the truth of anything which comes out of his mouth.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 25-Nov-19 09:28:40

Barmeyoldbat Look at what this guy has to say.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1269532-Is-the-polling-correct

Perhaps not so many are thinking of voting Tory as we have been told - and were told before the last election.

jura2 Mon 25-Nov-19 09:23:40

and at the same time have borrowed 1 trillion in 9 years - 7.5 times more than Labour and doubled what Labour spent in the 33 years in total they have been in power - whilst hurting the poorest hardest with austerity.

Barmeyoldbat Mon 25-Nov-19 09:21:01

I can't for the life of me understand how anybody could vote for this Tory government. The lies just coming along with u turns. The media, mainly the horrible Mail, are always asking how Labour can afford this that and the other but never question the Tory spending. Boris is just desperate to get Brexit done by year end when the new EU law comes in regarding offshore money.

MaizieD Mon 25-Nov-19 08:52:38

Here is Nicky Morgan displaying the sort of innumeracy which would get a Labour politician headline hates in the DM, the DT and the SUN.

Trying to convince the public that 19,000 existing NHS nurses are part of the new nursing staff tories are promisingto recruit.

How can she live with herself?

mobile.twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1198877205310377984

MamaCaz Mon 25-Nov-19 08:41:27

Farage has praised the Tory manifesto.

I wonder, did he dictate half of it himself in return for not standing Brexit Party candidates in Tory constituencies?

Grany Mon 25-Nov-19 08:17:55

This should be leading the BBC SKY 10 o clock News..
it’s just shocking!!!
What kind of mug votes Tory watch this!!
The MSM are not going to report this
Boris Johnson downgrades local A&E an hour after promising not to. Pledges to keep A&E open it's then announced Tories are going to downgrade it.

growstuff Sun 24-Nov-19 23:18:24

The trouble is trisher that many people do just take their word for it and the Tories know perfectly well that people won't bother to look behind the headlines, whether they're about 40 new hospitals or Corbyn the alleged Marxist. You only have to read some of the posts on GN to see that's true. It doesn't matter how often people are given facts and directed to links which debunk myths, the same old tripe gets regurgitated.

varian Sun 24-Nov-19 22:38:37

Tory pledge to recruit 50,000 nurses has been exposed as fake news

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-manifesto-boris-johnson-nhs-nurse-police-general-election-conservatives-a9215811.html

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 20:56:14

Orwellian

www.facebook.com/BestForBritain/videos/2287197231593995/

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 20:47:41

well they can try trisher, but it ain't going to wash with me- and anyone with any active brain cells. Same as the 200000 starter homes they promised years ago- and zero built.

trisher Sun 24-Nov-19 20:41:52

According to Gove on A Marr the plans are drawn for the 40 hospitals and that's the same as building them. Which makes you a bit worried if you might need treatment in one of them. I suppose the Tories will just keep telling us they are there and expect us to take their word for it.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 24-Nov-19 08:28:05

Johnson has been accused by the security authorities of abusing his power relating to the Russian report.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/number-10-abused-its-power-demanding-cover-donors-and-friends-boris-report-russian-influence/

It really is time this was leaked!

GracesGranMK3 Sat 23-Nov-19 23:15:43

Apparently the hospital lies are repeated in the Tory Manifesto to be produced tomorrow.

mcem Sat 23-Nov-19 18:41:00

"Repeating the same arguments and quoting the same old statistics"?
A bit like "Get Brexit done" and "40 new hospitals"?
It's been proved conclusively that the latter statement is untrue while it's accepted by anyone of any intelligence that repeating the same old mantra (à la Boris) is effective in convincing the gullible. If he says it often enough it must be true!

SirChenjin Sat 23-Nov-19 18:28:10

Because Brexit varian. It’s like a religion - and blind faith is very difficult to change.

varian Sat 23-Nov-19 18:23:32

He lies
He lies
He lies

It's what he does and has always done.

How can anyone possibly believe a word he says?